Solving Problem on AP Calc Test: Was My Answer Wrong?

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The discussion revolves around a problem from an AP Calculus test involving the differential equation dy/dx = 4x*y^(1/2) and the initial condition given by the point (1,9). Participants are analyzing the correct approach to solving for y when x=0, exploring different methods of separation of variables and integration, and questioning the validity of their solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims to have solved the differential equation using separation of variables and arrived at y = x^4 + 8, asserting it satisfies the initial condition (1,9).
  • Another participant challenges this solution, stating that it does not satisfy the original differential equation for all x >= 0 and emphasizes the importance of including the constant of integration during the integration process.
  • Some participants argue that the constant of integration is arbitrary and question whether it must be determined before simplifying the equation.
  • There is a suggestion that the derivative obtained from the participant's solution might not be unique to one equation, raising further questions about the implications of the integration steps taken.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the solutions presented. There are competing views regarding the necessity of the constant of integration and the validity of the derived equations.

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Unresolved issues include the proper treatment of the constant of integration and the implications of simplifying the equation after integration. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the relationship between the derived solutions and the original differential equation.

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One of the problems on my AP Calc test:

The point (1,9) lies on the graph of an equation y=f(x) for which dy/dx = 4x*y^(1/2) where x> or = to 0 and y > or = 0

When x=0 y=?

separation of variables:

dy/y^(1/2) = 4x dx

Integrate :

2 y^(1/2) = 2x^2 +C now, if you do C now:

2 * (9)^(1/2) = 2 (1)^2 + C
6 = 2 + C
C= 4 ,

plug in 0 for X and 4 for C:

2 y^(1/2) = 2 (0)^2 + 4

y^1/2 = 2
y = 4 when x =0 <--- that's what the answer key said/ teacher marked


What I did:

separation of variables:

dy/y^(1/2) = 4x dx

Integrate :

2 y^(1/2) = 2x^2

solve for Y

y^(1/2) = x^2
y = x^4 + C

solve for C

9 = (1)^4 + C
C = 8

y = x^4 + 8
Solve for y(0):
y=8 <--- that's the answer I got, and its a multiple choice question

Since it satisfies the initial condition (1,9) and the separation, then 8 is a correct answer, right?

If you take the deriv of where I got y = x^4 from, y^(1/2) = x^2, you still get dy/dx = 4x*y^(1/2), and I merely simplified the equation to put it in terms of Y like it says in the intro: "The point (1,9) lies on the graph of an equation y=f(x)"

Any thoughts? -Thanks
 
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Since it satisfies the initial condition (1,9) and the derivative, then 8 is a correct answer, right?

Have you actually checked that your solution satisfies dy/dx = 4x*y^(1/2) for all x >= 0? (It doesn't btw).

The problem lies between these two steps:

derivative of variables:

dy/y^(1/2) = 4x dx

Integrate :

2 y^(1/2) = 2x^2

You forgot the constant of integration. You can't "add it in later" like you did now. Try it and you'll see why.
 
Don't you have to add C first?

You should know better than that. ;)

Like Muzza said, you can't add it later.
 
But, the deriv is not unique to 1 equation,

and isn't the C somewhat arbitrary

for example:

separation of variables:

dy/y^(1/2) = 4x dx

Integrate :

2 y^(1/2) = 2x^2 +C1

Simplify

y^(1/2) = x^2 + C2 <--- and the deriv of this is still dy/dx = 4x*y^(1/2), then all I did was solve for Y

solve for Y
y = x^4 + C3

What am I doing wrong here?, or do you have to solve for C before you can simplify?
 
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rpc said:
y^(1/2) = x^2 + C2

solve for Y
y = x^4 + C3

come on, this is easy. howd you get this second equation? by squaring both sides? try it again.
 

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