Actual integration of a function

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function x^a, specifically addressing the choice of interval division methods for calculating definite integrals. Participants explore the implications of using geometric progressions versus equal subdivisions and the reasoning behind these choices, while also touching on the value of working through problems in calculus texts like Courant's.

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  • One participant questions why it is inconvenient to divide the interval into equal parts when integrating x^a, noting that the book suggests using a geometric progression.
  • Another participant asserts that any division of the interval can be used, emphasizing the importance of selecting intervals that simplify the calculation of bounds.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that equal subdivisions can lead to sums of nth powers of integers, which may be easier to handle for certain values of n, particularly n=2.
  • Some participants discuss the merits of Courant's calculus book compared to Apostol's, with varying opinions on which is more comprehensive or serious.

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Participants express differing opinions on the best approach to interval division for integration and the value of specific calculus texts. There is no consensus on the superiority of one method or text over another.

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Participants highlight that the choice of interval division can depend on the specific function being integrated and the ease of calculation, but do not resolve the implications of these choices for the integration of x^a.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in calculus, particularly those exploring integration techniques and the pedagogical value of different calculus textbooks.

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Hello all

I am having trouble integrating the function x^a. Take in consideration that we are not using any rules yet, but actually taking the passage of the limit. My question is:

int (from a to b) x^a dx why would it be inconvenient to divide the interval into equal parts? In the book it says we divide the interval as follows:

a, aq, aq^2, ..., aq^n-1, aq^n = b. (which is the geometric progression)

The answer is: (1/(a+1)(b^a+1 - a^a+1). But in the integration of x^2, we divide the interval from a to b in equal lengths of b/n. Why is this? Finally, do you think it is worth the time to do every single problem say in Courant's calculus book?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks
 
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courtrigrad said:
I am having trouble integrating the function x^a. Take in consideration that we are not using any rules yet, but actually taking the passage of the limit. My question is:

int (from a to b) x^a dx why would it be inconvenient to divide the interval into equal parts? In the book it says we divide the interval as follows:

a, aq, aq^2, ..., aq^n-1, aq^n = b. (which is the geometric progression)

The answer is: (1/(a+1)(b^a+1 - a^a+1). But in the integration of x^2, we divide the interval from a to b in equal lengths of b/n. Why is this?

You can divide the interval in any way you like. The idea is typically to select intervals so that the difference between lower and upper bounds is easy to calculate.


Finally, do you think it is worth the time to do every single problem say in Courant's calculus book?

I'm not familiar with the particular book, but for the more 'serious' calculus texts like Apostol it is at least worth looking at all of the questions to see if you can do them.
 
I think you're best off rewriting so that a has one meaning alone, and that the other terms are consistent (eg, n).

One of the bits of integration theory is that we may choose the division to suit our purposes. If we're integrating x^n, where n is a whole number, then equal sudivisions into r equal parts will lead to a sum n'th powers of integers, which we may well know how to sum, particularly if n=2.

However, it is easier to sum geometric progressions, which is why the book chooses them, I suppose.
 
NateTG: From what I've heard, Courant's book is at least as serious as Apostol's.
 
arildno said:
NateTG: From what I've heard, Courant's book is at least as serious as Apostol's.

It may not have been sufficiently clear, but I meant to make a general rather than specific comparison when I wrote more serious. I.e. I meant to say that if the calculus text is a serious calculus text, then it's a good idea to (at least) look at all of the problems.
 
IMO Courant's Book is even better than Apostol's, in fact, i think is the most complete calculus book around.
 

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