Group Actions on Sets: Understanding the Permutation Group S_3

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of group actions, specifically focusing on the permutation group S_3 and its potential actions on a set with four elements. Participants explore the nature of these actions and the related topic of homomorphisms from S_3 to S_4.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the permutation group S_3 can act on a set with four elements, questioning the implications of such actions.
  • Another participant suggests describing all homomorphisms from S_3 to S_4, proposing that S_3 is generated by transpositions and hinting at embedding these elements in S_4.
  • A later reply proposes that there are four "natural" homomorphisms by ignoring one element in S_4, although the participant is uncertain about the completeness of this approach.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that the homomorphism must be injective, implying that there may be additional homomorphisms beyond those initially considered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature and number of homomorphisms from S_3 to S_4, with differing views on the necessity of injectivity and the completeness of the proposed homomorphisms.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of group actions and the conditions under which homomorphisms can be defined, particularly concerning injectivity and the completeness of their descriptions.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in group theory, particularly those studying group actions and homomorphisms within the context of permutation groups.

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Okay, so I'm trying to understand the notion of group actions, and I'm having a little difficulty understanding how to work on this question:

Describe all the ways the group [tex]S_3[/tex] can act on a set [tex]X[/tex]with 4 elements.

I mean, an action assigns with every element in [tex]S_3[/tex] a permutation of the set X. The confusing thing for me now is that the group we start with is a permutation group itself, so it's like for every permutation in [tex]S_3[/tex], we assign a permutation of X. But how does that help me answer the question? :confused:
 
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You are asked to describe all homomorphisms from S_3 to S_4.

One way to do this is to pick generators of S_3 in a suitable fashion.

We may use the fact it is generated by transpositions.

S_3 is generated by (12) and (23)

How cany you embed these elements in S_4 in a group homomorphic way?

Hint: if phi is a homomorphism, ord(phi(x)) divides ord(x).
 
Okay, so describing all homomorphisms from [tex]S_3[/tex] to [tex]S_4[/tex] seems a little more tangible. I suppose there are four "natural" homomorphisms, described by simply ignoring one element in [tex]S_4[/tex], and using the permutation of [tex]S_3[/tex] to permute the remaining 3 elements. Hmm...by the looks of it, I don't think there can be any other homomorphism, but I'm now thinking of a way to show that.
 
Well, there are other homomophisms; who said the map needed to be injective?
 

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