Numerically determine area and circumference

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The discussion revolves around the numerical determination of the area and circumference of a ball being thrown in a simple space game. Participants explore the mathematical representation of the ball's motion, particularly focusing on its path and the relevant equations in polar coordinates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the path of the ball resembles a cardioid, providing its general equation in polar coordinates and discussing the maximum distance related to the shape.
  • Another participant corrects the terminology from "cosmology" to "topology," indicating a potential misunderstanding about the relevant field of study.
  • A later reply proposes integrating in polar coordinates to find the area, presenting a specific integral formula for the area of the cardioid and deriving it step by step.
  • The derived formula for the area is presented as \( A = 3a^2\pi \), with \( a \) representing the radius of the circle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the terminology used (cosmology vs. topology) and the interpretation of the ball's path. The mathematical approach to finding the area is discussed, but no agreement on the overall problem-solving strategy is established.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the shape of the path and the definitions of the variables involved, which may affect the integration process. The discussion does not resolve these assumptions or the implications of the derived formulas.

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Hey guys

I'm currently making a small game (simple space game) and have a problem with numerically determine area and circumference of a ball that is being thrown.

The problem is presented here:

http://trasigkondensator.tripod.com/ball.htm

Thanks in advance
 
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That looks like a cardioid. It's general equation in polar coords is: r=a(1-cost), but it could also be r=a(1+cost), i.e. flipped around. I think the maximum distance from the point where it has an 'indent' is 2a, but I'm not entirely sure. a could possibly be either the length of the rope or the radius of the circle.

The path of motion of the ball looks like a distored ellipse/circle. Perhaps someone who's into cosmology can help you out.

Sorry I couldn't be of much help.
 
I think you meant topology, not cosmology. :)
 
Topology? I don't know much about topology, but I thought some of the astrophysicists/cosmologists could help because the path of the ball looks like several elliptic and circular orbits. :shy:
 
Oh, I see.
 
Assuming devious is right. Then it would just be a matter of integrating in polar coordinates. Just get a function r in terms of [itex]\theta[/itex] that describes the distance of the ball from the center of the circle and integrate:
[tex]A=\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^{r(\theta)}r'dr'd\theta[/tex]
[tex]A = \frac{1}{2}\int_0^{2\pi}r^2(\theta)d\theta[/tex]
edit - looked up a cardioid, a = the radius of the circle. So:
[tex]A = \frac{1}{2}\int_0^{2\pi}a^2(1-cos(\theta))^2d\theta[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{1}{2}a^2\int_0^{2\pi}sin(\theta)^2d\theta[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{1}{4}a^2\int_0^{2\pi}(1-cos(2\theta))d\theta[/tex]
[tex]= 3a^2\pi[/tex]
 
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