When to Use Conservation of Energy and Work Energy Theorem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a mass sliding along a looped track, focusing on the conditions required for the mass to remain on the track and the calculation of normal forces at various points. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically conservation of energy and the work-energy theorem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between conservation of mechanical energy and the calculation of normal forces. Questions arise regarding when to apply the conservation of energy versus the work-energy theorem, particularly in scenarios involving multiple forces and energy types.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering insights into the application of different principles of mechanics. Some guidance has been provided regarding the conditions under which each theorem is applicable, though there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to solve the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of applying conservation laws in the context of forces acting on the mass, with specific reference to gravitational and normal forces. There is an emphasis on understanding the conditions that dictate the use of different energy principles.

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A small mass m slides without friction along the looped apparatus.

If the mass is to remain on the track at all times, even at the top of the loop of radius r.

If the release height is 2h,

calculate the normal force

a. exerted by the the track at the bottom of the loop. 11mg
b. exerted by the track at the top of the loop. 5 mg
c. exerted by the track after the block exits the loop onto the flat section. mg

I know the conservation of mechanical energy is used, but I do not know how to tie it in with solving to find the normal force.

Please help me in any way possible. Thanks.

How do you know when to use the conservation of energy formula and the work energy theorem?
 
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The component of gravity along the normal+plus the normal force must yield the centripetal acceleration of the object.
 
Soaring Crane said:
How do you know when to use the conservation of energy formula and the work energy theorem?

When there is only one force acting on the object, you can use the Work Energy Theorem (for example, a cart along a path with neglible friction). However, when a spring is used, with e.g. Elastic energy and gravitational energy (kinetic as well), you must use the conservation of energy.
 
I know at the top that F_n + mg = (mv^2)/r, but must I set it up in accord with the conservation of energy theorem. If so, how?
 
Determine v by using conservation of energy.
 

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