Can Logarithms Solve a Rocket Science Problem?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of logarithms to solve a problem related to rocket science, specifically calculating the speed of a rocket as its mass changes due to fuel consumption. The scope includes conceptual exploration and mathematical reasoning without delving into calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant poses a question about creating a semi-realistic problem involving a rocket's speed and logarithms.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical approach using Newton's second law, suggesting that the speed can be expressed as an integral of force over mass.
  • A third participant expresses concern about the complexity of the problem, indicating they have not yet learned calculus and seeks a logarithmic solution.
  • A later reply reiterates the mathematical approach but questions whether the derivative of momentum should be included in the discussion, suggesting a more complex relationship involving mass change.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to approach the problem using logarithms, and there are differing levels of mathematical understanding and complexity in the proposed solutions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the applicability of logarithms without calculus, and there are unresolved questions regarding the inclusion of momentum in the calculations.

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[SOLVED] Rocket Science

"Calculate the speed acquired by a rocket whose mass varies as it burns up fuel."

Is there any way I could make up a semi-realistic problem relating to the above quote and solve it with logarithms?
 
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[tex]F=ma[/tex]
[tex]F=m\frac {dv}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]\frac {F}{m} = \frac {dv}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]\int \frac {F}{m}dt = \int \frac {dv}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]v=\int \frac {F(t)}{m(t)}dt[/tex]
Not sure if that answers your question
 
I'm only in grade 11 and haven't done any calculus. Is there any way to make any sort of problem for this that only includes Logarithms?
 
mathlete said:
[tex]F=ma[/tex]
[tex]F=m\frac {dv}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]\frac {F}{m} = \frac {dv}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]\int \frac {F}{m}dt = \int \frac {dv}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]v=\int \frac {F(t)}{m(t)}dt[/tex]
Not sure if that answers your question
Isn't force the derivative of momentum such that you would have to include the [itex]v\frac{dm}{dt}[/itex] term as well?
 

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