Using Cross Product to Find Torque

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The discussion revolves around calculating the torque acting on a pebble due to a force vector, with specific attention to the position vector relative to a non-origin point. The subject area includes vector mathematics and torque in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore how to adjust the position vector when the reference point is shifted from the origin to a new coordinate. Questions arise regarding the representation of vectors and the cross product operation necessary for torque calculation.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of how to properly calculate the torque with respect to the new origin. Some participants suggest methods for adjusting the position vector, while others provide insights into the cross product process. No consensus has been reached, but various interpretations and approaches are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need to translate the position vector based on the new reference point, which introduces complexity in the calculations. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the specific parts of the problem being addressed.

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Force F = (4.0 N) i + (-2.0 N) k acts on a pebble with position vector r = (2.50 m) j + (-1.3 m) k, relative to the origin

What is the resulting torque acting on the pebble about a point with coordinates (2.0 m, 3.0 m, 2.0 m)?

Ok so I just completely forgot how to work with vectors when they are not acting about the origin so can anyone lead me in the right direction?
 
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The force acts on 2.5j-1-3k respective to your origin.
Find the representation of this point when translating your origin to (2,3,2).
 
pretty easy, just take the position crss with the force...
(0i+2.5J-1.3K)(4i+0j-2k)
and then, do the first term of hte first equation times all 3 of the 2nd, then the 2nd times all 3, then the 3rd... and you have to remember, an i times an i or a j times a j, etc, is zero... and whichever 2 variables you use, the answer of the multiplication is the variable left out, so i times j is k... and it goes in a triangle like this...
i
k j
and you go from whatever the first one is, times the 2nd one, whatever is across is the letter you use, and if it goes clockwise(i.e. k times i), the vector doesn't affect the answer, if its counter clockwise (i.e. j times i) its negative of whatever the answer is... send me an I am at hobiedude16 if you want any help on the other problems, were just about done
 
Relative to (0, 0, 0) the pebbles position is (0, 2.5, -1.3). So what is it's position relative to (2, 3, 2)?
 
haha, my bad, didnt notice you wanted part b of the question
just do vector r minus coordinates and use that instead of vector r, my bad on that one... but same procedure
 

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