How Fast is the Skier Traveling Before Landing?

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The problem involves an extreme skier who starts from rest and coasts down a slope before jumping off a cliff. The skier's speed just before landing is to be determined, considering factors like the angle of the slope, distance traveled, and the coefficient of kinetic friction.

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  • Participants discuss using energy conservation versus force analysis to determine the skier's speed. Some suggest calculating the velocity at the cliff's edge using energy principles, while others focus on force components and friction effects.

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There are various approaches being explored, with some participants providing calculations and others questioning the assumptions made regarding forces and energy. Guidance has been offered on using different methods to analyze the problem, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

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Participants note the importance of considering friction and the height from which the skier falls, as well as the angle of descent. There is mention of the correct answer being 10.9 m/s, but the reasoning behind this is under scrutiny.

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Alright, so here's the problem:

An extreme skier, starting from rest, coasts down a mountain that makes an angle of 25.0-degrees with the horizontal. The coefficient of kinetic friction between her skis and the snow is 0.200. She coasts for a distance of 10.4 m before coming to the edge of a cliff. Without slowing down, she skis off the cliff and lands downhill at a point whose vertical distance is 3.50 m below the edge. How fast is she going just before she lands?

So I didn't want to explain everything I tried, so I just scanned my paper ;). Here it is:

http://img129.exs.cx/img129/6093/physics_problem.gif

Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? The correct answer is supposed to be 10.9 m/s...
 
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Don't use forces, use energy

the velocity whe the skier leaves the cliff is...
[tex]\frac{1}{2}mv^2 = mgh[/tex] while h = 10.4m sin 25
v = sqrt(2g(10.4 sin 25)) = 9.29 m/s

the skiers velocity is 25 degrees below the horizontal, thus
[tex]v_x = v cos 25 \ v_y = v sin 25[/tex]
thus solve for the time to fall the height 3.5 m
[tex]0m = 3.5 m - v sin 25 t - 1/2 g t^2[/tex]
t= 0.53s

and when the skier makes impact the velocity is
[tex]v_y = v sin 25 + 9.8 (0.53 s)[/tex]
[tex]v_x = v cos 25[/tex]
so the total velocity at impact is..
[tex]v = sqrt( (v_x)^2+(v_y)^2) = 12.4128 m/s[/tex]

so i believe your answers wrong doing this is also very complicated but i thought would make u believe the answer more cause I use projectiles, gravity is a conservative force so therefore it doesn't matter what path the skier takes to drop the height u can find the velocity by 1/2mv^2 = mgh
where h is (10.4m sin 25 + 3.5m) the total height from the ground. you'll get the same result.

edit: i forgot the coff of friction, however use work engery principle in the same way i did this problem that might help
 
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Your sum of all x component forces :
[tex]F_{g}sin25-F_{fricition}=ma_x[/tex]
Your sum of all y component forces :
[tex]\Sigma F_{y}=ma_y[/tex]
N-mgcos25=0
 
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Thanks guys, really appreciate your help.
 

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