What are the properties of open sets in X x Y for a continuous projection map?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of open sets in the product space X x Y, particularly in the context of a continuous projection map p: X x Y -> X. Participants are exploring the implications of continuity and the nature of open sets in this setting.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are examining the definition of open sets in the product space and questioning how to demonstrate the continuity of the projection map. There is a discussion about whether knowing all open sets is necessary for the proof and what specific sets need to be shown as open.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested that it may not be necessary to identify all open sets, focusing instead on specific examples. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between open and closed sets in the context of the projection map, with some guidance provided on how to approach the preimage of certain sets.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of open and closed sets in the product topology and how these relate to the continuity of the projection map. The discussion includes considerations of specific cases, such as when B is closed.

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I'm trying to prove some stuff that involves the projection map, say p:X x Y ->X. But I need to know if it's continuous. If a map is continuous, then the preimage of a open/closed set is open/closed.

The problem is, what do open sets in X x Y look like? I know what the basis elements are, and the open sets would be arbitrary unions and finite intersections, but is there any way to generalize?
 
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You don't need to know all open sets, you just need to show that some particular sets are open.
 
Well, yeah, but I thought that if there was a way to list all the open sets, that would take care of it.

Ok, if I take p(A) to be open, I need to show that the preimage is open. The preimage would be A x B, where A is open in X. If B is open, then I'm done. But if B is closed, I don't know what to do.
 
So [tex]p: X \times Y \to X[/tex] and [tex]p((x,y)) = x[/tex]. But now think about it what sets will give you [tex]\{x\}[/tex] as an image? [tex]p((x,y)) = x[/tex] for all [tex]y \in Y[/tex]. So [tex]p^{-1}(\{x\}) = \{x\} \times Y[/tex]. I think you can take it from there.
 

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