Thermodynamics Homework Help: Finding Final Temperature in a Water-Ice Mixture

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the mixing of water and ice in an insulated container. The original poster seeks to determine the final temperature of the water after all the ice has melted, given specific initial conditions and properties of the substances involved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to set up energy balance equations by calculating the heat transfer for both water and ice, but expresses uncertainty about the completeness of their approach. Participants question the specific heat capacities of ice and water and the treatment of the ice during the heating and melting processes.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the original poster's setup and identifying potential errors in the calculations. There is a recognition of the need to consider the heating of ice before melting and the subsequent heating of the resulting water, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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The problem involves specific heat capacities that are acknowledged to be different for ice and water, which may affect the calculations. The discussion also highlights the importance of correctly accounting for the phases of the substances involved.

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I have a question about my Thermodynamics homework.

In an insulated container, [itex]0.50 kg[/itex] of water at [itex]80^\circ C[/itex] is mixed with [itex]0.050 kg[/itex] of ice at [itex]-5.0^\circ C[/itex]. After a while, all the ice melts, leaving only the water. Find the final temperature [itex]T_f[/itex] of the water. The freezing point of water is [itex]0^\circ C[/itex]

I need to find all the [itex]Q[/itex]'s and set their sum to equal 0.

I have the Q for the water, Q for the ice, Q from fusion. [itex]T_f[/itex] is the same for all the substances. But my answer is still off.

[itex]Q_{H_2 0}= 0.5 kg c_{H_2 0} ( T_f-80^\circ C )[/itex]
[itex]Q_{ice}= 0.05 kg c_{ice} (T_f+5^\circ C)[/itex]
[itex]Q_{f}= 0.05 kg L_f[/itex]

Is there another Q I haven't accounted for?
 
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what are the specific heat capacity of ice and water in your question? Are they being stated to be the same or different? If different, then you have to recheck your [itex]Q_{ice}[/itex].
 
They are different. What is wrong with my [itex]Q_{ice}[/itex]?
 
Corneo said:
[itex]Q_{ice}= 0.05 kg c_{ice} (T_f+5^\circ C)[/itex]
Your error is treating the ice as if it remained ice. You need to treat it in three parts:
(1) heating of 0.05 kg of ice from -5 to 0
(2) melting of ice (you have that piece already)
(3) heating of 0.05 kg of water from 0 to T_f
 
Ah... thank you very much.
 

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