Why is energy important in Infra-red spectroscopy?

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The discussion revolves around the role of energy in infrared spectroscopy, particularly focusing on the relationship between energy, frequency, and resonance in atomic and molecular systems. Participants explore the implications of these concepts in both classical and quantum contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that infrared spectroscopy involves atoms resonating at specific frequencies when exposed to infrared wavelengths, questioning the emphasis on energy in this context.
  • Another participant presents the equation E = \hbar \omega, indicating that the frequency of light corresponds to the resonant frequency of the material's lattice.
  • A different participant challenges the analogy of a swing, arguing that a photon imparts energy all at once rather than over time, which raises questions about how this leads to resonance.
  • One response cautions against using classical analogies for quantum systems, emphasizing that atomic resonance occurs when photon energy matches available quantum states of electrons.
  • Another participant shifts the focus to phonons, stating that the resonance in a lattice involves characteristic frequencies related to lattice waves, suggesting a need for reference materials on solid-state physics.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between energy and resonance, with some emphasizing the importance of energy in quantum states while others question the applicability of classical analogies. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Participants highlight the complexity of relating classical mechanics to quantum phenomena, indicating that assumptions about energy transfer and resonance may depend on the definitions and contexts used.

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Infra-red spectroscopy...

I have been taught that with Infra-red spectroscopy, when different infrared wavelengths are fired at the sample when we reach the correct frequency we can cause the atoms in the bond to resonate as they absorb the correct energy. My question is why does it have to do with energy? After all, let's take the example of a swing and talk about resonance - you have to push the swing with the correct frquency to cause it to resonate; it does not matter how much energy you supply as this will only make it resonate more. So why do we talk about the correct energy of the infra red light rather than the frequency at which a force or energy is supplied?

Thanks in advance. :smile:
 
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[tex]E = \hbar \omega[/tex], the frequency of the light corresponds to the resonant frequency of the lattice in the material.
 
But surely, if we take the swing again, that vibrate bak and forth because you exert a force on it a particular number of times a second. Now, if you fire a photon at an atom, this will give it a set amount of energy all at once, not over set periods of time - so I don't see how this could lead to resonance. Please could someone help to elaborate. :smile:
 
A photon is not a classical localized particle. A atomic ensemble is not a classical swing. So be very careful with classical analogies to a Quantum Mechanical system. An atomic resonance will occur when the incident photons have an energy which corresponds to an available quantum state of the electrons in the system.
 
We are talking phonons, not photons. The atoms in a lattice resonate with characteristic frequencies, i.e. lattice waves otherwise known as phonons. Look at Ziman's book on solids, or any other solid state text, Kittel does a good job.
 

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