Solving $\lim_{x\rightarrow0+} x^2 \ln x$ with L'Hoptial's Rule

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit $\lim_{x\rightarrow0+} x^2 \ln x$ using L'Hôpital's Rule. Participants explore the application of the rule, the handling of derivatives, and the challenges encountered in the process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses doubt about using L'Hôpital's Rule, noting difficulties with dividing by $x^2$ and concerns about the chain rule affecting the logarithm.
  • Another participant clarifies that dividing by $x^2$ does not lead to division by zero, emphasizing that limits deal with values approaching zero rather than fixed values.
  • A participant proposes rewriting the limit as $\frac{\ln x}{1/x^2}$ to apply L'Hôpital's Rule, indicating the derivatives of the numerator and denominator.
  • Further discussion includes the derivatives of the functions involved, with one participant explaining the standard derivative of $\ln x$ and the application of the power rule to $x^{-2}$.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the method used to derive the answer, indicating confusion about the derivatives involved in the limit evaluation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the limit, with some expressing confusion about the application of L'Hôpital's Rule and others providing differing insights into the derivatives involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the application of L'Hôpital's Rule, particularly in how participants handle the logarithmic function and the derivatives of the expressions involved.

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I was asked to find

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow0+} x^2 \ln x[/tex]

Using L'Hoptial's rule.

I guess that I have to divide by one of these things to the power of negative one, and then take the derivative of top and bottom, but this results in either dividing by zero if I put x^2 on the bottom, or not losing ln x if I put it on the bottom, because of the chain rule.

I really am doubting that L'Hopital is the way to go about this, but that's what I was told on a test today.

Any ideas?
 
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You aren't dividing by 0 by putting x^2 on the bottom. Remember, this is a limit, the values aren't fixed.

[tex]\frac{ln(x)}{1/x^2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1/x}{-2/x^3}[/tex]

[tex]-x^2/2[/tex]

[tex]0[/tex]
 
DeadWolfe said:
I was asked to find

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow0+} x^2 \ln x[/tex]

Using L'Hoptial's rule.

I guess that I have to divide by one of these things to the power of negative one, and then take the derivative of top and bottom, but this results in either dividing by zero if I put x^2 on the bottom, or not losing ln x if I put it on the bottom, because of the chain rule.

I really am doubting that L'Hopital is the way to go about this, but that's what I was told on a test today.

Any ideas?

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow0+} \frac{x^3 \ln x}{x}[/tex]
 
StatusX - thank you, I tihnk that works

Zlex - do you see how that method will not eliminate the ln x because of the product rule?
 
Hey everyone. I know this question is old but I'm trying to solve exactly the same problem. Could anyone explain it to me a little better? I'm having trouble seeing how StatusX got the answer.

I understand L'Hopital's rule but how the derivatives of f(g) and f(h) were found is confusing me.
 
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The derivatives of f(g) and f(h)? Do you mean f(x) and g(x)? Either way they did the following:

[tex]x^2 \ln x=\frac{\ln x}{x^{-2}} \Rightarrow f(x)=\ln x, g(x)=x^{-2} \Rightarrow \lim_{x \to 0+}x^2 \ln x=\lim_{x \to 0+} \frac{f(x)}{g(x)}=\lim_{x \to 0+} \frac{f'(x)}{g'(x)}=\lim_{x \to 0+} \frac{\frac{1}{x}}{-2 x^{-3}}=\lim_{x \to 0+} -2 x^2[/tex].
 
The numerator, in Statusx's form, is ln(x), and the denominator is 1/x2= x-2.

The derivative of ln(x) is a "standard form", derived from the fact that the derivative of ex is ex. d(ln(x))/dx= 1/x.

The derivative of x-2 is, of course, from the power rule: (-2)x-2-1= -2x-3= -2/x3.
 
Thanks guys. That helps a lot. I still don't know every little trick of derivatives and such.
 

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