What is the Relationship Between x and n in x^n > (x+1)^n-1?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the variables x and n in the inequality x^n > (x+1)^(n-1). Participants explore the conditions under which this inequality holds, particularly focusing on specific values of x and n, and the implications of these conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the definition of the function x^x for real numbers and requests a demonstration of the inequality x^n > (x+1)^(n-1).
  • Another participant suggests that the inequality should include a "greater or equal" sign, citing the case where n = 1 and x = 1 results in equality.
  • A participant specifies that they are interested in proving the inequality for natural numbers x >= 2.
  • It is noted that the function x^x is defined for x > 0 when considering real-valued functions, while complex functions may have a broader domain.
  • One participant argues that the inequality does not hold for all x >= 2, providing a counterexample with specific values of x and n, and suggesting that the threshold for x increases with n.
  • A mathematical exploration of the ratio of the two sides of the inequality is presented, indicating that as x becomes large, the expression approaches a limit that suggests the inequality may not hold in general.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the inequality x^n > (x+1)^(n-1) for various values of x and n. There is no consensus on the conditions under which the inequality holds, and multiple competing perspectives are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of specific values of x and n in determining the validity of the inequality, and there are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the behavior of the inequality as x approaches infinity.

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1. For what "x"s are defined the function x^x (x is a real number).
2. Demonstrate that x^n > (x+1)^n-1


By the way, which tool do you use for including equations in the posts?
 
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First of all, to use equations you use LaTex, there are posts on it in most forums. Also, your second equation should have a "greater OR equal" sign, since for n = 1 and x = 1 you have 1 = 1
 
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Yea, i forgot to said yesterday that i want the proof for x>=2, x is natural.
 
mprm86 said:
1. For what "x"s are defined the function x^x (x is a real number).
2. Demonstrate that x^n > (x+1)^n-1


By the way, which tool do you use for including equations in the posts?

2^2 >= 3^2-1
4 >= 8
false
 
In general, ax is only defined (as a real-valued function of real numbers) for a> 0 so the domain of xx is x> 0. If you are dealing with complex functions of complex numbers, I believe it is defined for all x not equal to 0.

Alkatran: Good point, but I suspect he really meant:

Prove that xn > (x+1)n-1 for x>= 2, n a natural number.

Even then it is not true. x4> (x+1)3 only for x> approximately 2.7. In particular, 2.54= 39 1/16 while 3.53= 42 7/8.

Eventually xn> (x+1)n-1 but the value of x for which that is true increases with n.
 
To get a "feel" of the dependence on "n", consider the ratio:
[tex]\frac{(x+1)^{n-1}}{x^{n}}=\frac{(1+\frac{1}{x})^{n}}{(x+1)}}=\frac{((1+\frac{1}{x})^{x})^{\frac{n}{x}}}{(x+1)}[/tex]
For big x, we have:
[tex](1+\frac{1}{x})^{x}\approx{e}[/tex]
That is, for big x, our expression is approximately:
[tex]\frac{e^{\frac{n}{x}}}{(x+1)}[/tex]
Since the numerator goes to 1 as [tex]x\to\infty[/tex] we see that the fraction goes to zero as [tex]x\to\infty[/tex]
 

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