Theorema of Bezout: Finding f & e with Examples

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The discussion centers on the Theorema of Bezout, specifically how to find polynomials f and e such that a*e + b*f = 1 for given polynomials a and b with distinct factors. Participants explore examples and methods related to this theorem, including connections to the Euclidean algorithm and its application to integers and polynomials.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about specific methods to find polynomials f and e, suggesting examples with real numbers.
  • One participant references a previous discussion on the gcd version of Bezout's theorem, indicating potential overlap in methods for finding e and f.
  • A participant introduces the Euclidean algorithm as a method to find integers a and b for relatively prime integers, drawing parallels to the polynomial case.
  • Another participant explains the process of using the Euclidean algorithm with integers, providing a detailed example with numbers and suggesting that similar techniques apply to polynomials.
  • There is mention of the resultant polynomial in the context of Bezout's theorem and its implications for the intersection of curves defined by polynomials in two variables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and examples related to the Theorema of Bezout, but no consensus is reached on a singular approach to finding f and e. Multiple competing views and methods remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to the Euclidean algorithm and its application to both integers and polynomials, but the specific assumptions and definitions related to the polynomials involved are not fully resolved.

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I have a question on the theorema of Bezout. It states that for two given polynomes a and b with all different factors we can find two new polynomes f and e so that a*e+b*f=1.


The question is : how do you find e and f. Perhaps someone can give me an example of how this is done using real numbers,...just a suggestion though

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A thread was discussed for the gcd version of this theorem ...
I think wherein matt grime , gokul and i had some ideas on finding the e and f (integers) Prolly the same line of attack can be used. I don't recall which thread was it ... I will try to find it or hopefully some one else does if i can't ...

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Anybody got any ideas...

Tenali, can you give me a link?

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suppose you have two integers n,m with no common factors except 1 and -1, and pose the same question. then you can find two integers a and b such that an+bm = 1. (This is due to Euclid, more than one thousand years before bezout, and his argument works also for relatively prime polynomials. The theorem of bezout relates to two polynomials in two variables and asks how many common points their curves of zeroes can have in the plane.)

anyway all you have to do is divide the samller one by the alreger one, and then repeat this with the remainder, until finally you get down to one.

this is called the euclidean algorithm.


example: take 39 and 28. divide 39 by 28 get 39 = 1(28) +11. then divide 28 by 11, and get 28 = 2(11) + 6. then divide 11 by 6 and get 11 = 1(6) + 5, then divide 6 by 5 and get 6 = 1(5) + 1.

now that the remainder is finally 1, work backwards through the equations to the beginning.

i.e. 1 = 6-5, and since 5 = 11-6, we get that 1 = 6 -(11-6) = 2(6) -11.

and now since 6 = 28 - 2(11) we get 1 = 2(6) -11 = 2(28 - 2(11)) - (11)

= 2(28) -5(11) and since 11 = 39-28 we get 1 = 2(28) - 5(39-28)

= 7(28) - 5(39), i.e. 1 = 7(28) -5(39). now we check it of course since i could be wrong.

140+56 = 196, and 150 +45 = 195. it checks.

the same thing works if you divide the polynomials, provided you use coefficients from a field like the rationals or the reals.

i.e. the key point is that the ring of polynomials over a field forms a euclidean domain.

in order to involve bezout i would suggest that he may well have proved that for polynomials of two variables, say f,g with no common factors, polynomials in x,y, there are two polynomials A,B also in x,y, such that Af+Bg = R(x), where R is a polynomial only in x, called the resultant, but this is usually regarded as due to Euler. Anyway it leads to a proof of bezouts theorem on the number of intersections of the zeroes of f,g, since where f,g, are both zero, then R must be zero, so this let's us find the x coordinates of the poiunts that the curves f=0 and g=0 have in common.
 
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thanks mathwonk...

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