What is the ratio test and how does it relate to geometric series?

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The discussion centers around the ratio test for series convergence, particularly its relationship to geometric series. Participants explore the mechanics of the ratio test, its implications for convergence, and the nature of comparisons made in this context.

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  • Erin questions the relationship between the ratio test and geometric series, expressing confusion about how the test involves them.
  • One participant explains the ratio test, stating that if the limit superior of the ratio of successive terms is less than 1, the series converges absolutely, while if it is greater than 1, the series diverges.
  • This participant elaborates on the convergence argument, suggesting that if the ratio is less than a certain value, the series can be compared to a convergent geometric series.
  • Another participant reinforces the idea that convergence tests often involve comparisons, particularly to geometric series, which converge if the ratio is less than one.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the ratios in power series, with one participant asking if the ratios of successive terms are constant near infinity.
  • A later reply clarifies that the ratios do not need to be constant, but must eventually be less than a number less than one for convergence to hold.
  • An example involving the exponential series is provided, illustrating that the ratio of terms approaches zero, leading to convergence regardless of the value of x.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the ratio test and its application to geometric series. While some points are clarified, there remains uncertainty about the specifics of the ratios in power series and the nature of comparisons made in convergence tests.

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Participants discuss the ratio test without reaching a consensus on all aspects, particularly regarding the behavior of ratios in power series and the implications of the test in different contexts.

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Can anyone explain what exactly the ratio test is comparing?

undefinedSome say it is being compared to a geometric series...I love geo. series and I don't see how the test involves them.

Thanx,
Erin
 
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Ok, I`m a bit rusty onseries, but let's see if I remember why the ratio test works.

Ratio test:

If [itex]\limsup \left| \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right| <1[/itex] then the series [itex]\sum a_n[/itex] converges absolutely.
If [itex]\limsup \left| \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right| >1[/itex] then the series [itex]\sum a_n[/itex] diverges.

I`ll just take the case where the limit < 1. And see why it converges absolutely in that case.
Suppose [itex]\limsup \left| \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right| =\rho<1[/itex]
Then for all [itex]\epsilon >0[/itex], there is an N, so that for n>N:
[tex]\left| \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right-\rho|<\epsilon[/tex]
or
[tex]-\epsilon + \rho < \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n} < \epsilon +\rho[/tex]
Since [itex]\rho[/itex] is smaller than 1, we can choose an epsilon small enough so that [itex]\epsilon +\rho=r<1[/itex]. Then if N is big enough:
[tex]|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n} |< r[/tex]
or
[tex]|a_{n+1}| < |a_n|r[/tex]
and also
[tex]|a_{n+2}| < |a_{n+1}|r<|a_n|r^2[/tex]
and so on...
[tex]|a_{n+k}| < |a_n|r^k[/tex]
for n>N.
Therefore:
[tex]\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}|a_n|\leq \sum_{n=N}^{\infty}|a_n|<\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}|a_N|r^n[/tex]
So the series is smaller than a convergent geometric series.
 
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same thing in words,

tests of convergence are usually comparisons. i.e. if a series of positive terms is smaller term by term than some convergent series, then it is also convergent.

This is true even if it only holds from some finite point onward.

The best series to compare with is the geometric series. A geometric series is a series in which the ratio of each term divided by the previous term is the same number. if that number is less than one it converges.

hence if a series has the property that the ratios of each term divided by the previous term eventually all become less than some number r with 0<r<1, then that original series is eventually smaller than the geometric series with ratio r, hence also convergent.

the best possible treatment of convergence of series is in richard courants calculus book.
 
Thanks...So may I assume that the ratio of successive terms of a power series ,
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/ cn(x-a)^n, near infinity is constant? Because when we do the ratio test, we are basically testing the ratio of successive terms at infinity.
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you do not need them to be constant, just for all of them eventually i.e. near infinity) to be less than some number which itself is less than one. the easy case is where these ratios converge to a limit less than one.

bewst npossible example: exponential series: the nth term is

x^n/n! so the ratio of the nth by the n-1st term is x/n. as n goes to infinity this approaches 0, no matter what x is. so it converges no matter what x is.
 
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