Convergence of Quick Sequence: Proof, Upper & Lower Bounds

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the sequence defined by \(\frac{n}{2^{n+2}}\). Participants explore the properties of the sequence, including its monotonicity and bounds, as well as the appropriateness of using L'Hôpital's rule in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the monotonic decreasing nature of the sequence and its upper and lower bounds. There is debate over the validity of applying L'Hôpital's rule to sequences, with some suggesting it may not be appropriate due to the discrete nature of sequences.

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The discussion is active, with differing opinions on the use of L'Hôpital's rule and the implications of monotonicity for convergence. Some participants provide guidance on the necessity of establishing lower bounds for convergence, while others question the assumptions regarding the application of calculus to sequences.

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Participants note that the function is defined only on integers, which raises questions about the application of continuous analysis techniques. There is also mention of the potential pitfalls of using L'Hôpital's rule in this context, suggesting a cautious approach to its application.

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[tex]\frac{n}{2^{n+2}}[/tex]

I know it's monotonic decreasing, a sub n < a sub n+1 and so has an upper bound of 1/8.

Can you then use L'Hopital's rule to determine that the sequence converges to 0, it's lower bound?
 
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No. I don't think you'll ever have to use L'hospital to solve a sequence question. In this case you're not allowed to differentiate, since the function is only defined on the integers.

If a sequence is monotonic decreasing, then it is sufficient to show it has a LOWER bound for it to converge.
 
But [itex]\frac{n}{2^{n+2}}[/itex] has the same limit (as n-> infinity) as the continuous function [itex]\frac{x}{2^{x+2}}[/itex] (as x-> infinity). Certainly you can use L'Hopital to find the limit of the continuous function and then assert that as the limit of the sequence.

It is sufficient to show it has a lower bound (and 0 is an obvious lower bound) if you only want to prove that it does converge. That doesn't determine what it converges to.
 
HallsofIvy said:
But [itex]\frac{n}{2^{n+2}}[/itex] has the same limit (as n-> infinity) as the continuous function [itex]\frac{x}{2^{x+2}}[/itex] (as x-> infinity). Certainly you can use L'Hopital to find the limit of the continuous function and then assert that as the limit of the sequence.
Yes ofcourse, but you'll have to state that explicitly and not differentiate numerator and denominator w.r.t. n immediately.

In general, L'hospitals rule is a source for obtaining many fraudulent proofs. I'm just not a fan of using L'Hospital
 

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