What are the best books for intermediate classical mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for textbooks suitable for intermediate classical mechanics courses. Participants share their experiences and opinions on various texts, including Marion and Thornton, Goldstein, and Landau and Lifschitz, while also considering other options like Kleppner & Kolenkow and Symon.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the appropriateness of Marion and Thornton for intermediate mechanics, suggesting it may not be the best choice.
  • Another participant defends Marion and Thornton as a standard undergraduate text, noting that some students have had no complaints about it.
  • A participant mentions that Goldstein is well-regarded, while Landau's book is also praised by many, although both are considered more suitable for graduate-level study.
  • Some participants suggest that the choice of textbook may depend on individual taste and prior preparation, with one recommending that the original poster consider multiple texts.
  • There is a suggestion that Symon's text is a good option for undergraduate intermediate mechanics, contrasting it with the more advanced nature of Goldstein and Landau.
  • Concerns are raised about the level of difficulty of certain texts, with one participant stating that Landau and Lifschitz is for advanced undergraduates or first-year graduates.
  • Another participant mentions that Analytical Mechanics by Hand & Finch was used in their course and provides a positive review, while noting that Marion and Thornton can be overly wordy.
  • Discussion includes a side note about the relevance of quantum mechanics for engineers, with differing opinions on whether it is necessary for all engineering disciplines.

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Participants express a range of opinions on the suitability of various textbooks for intermediate classical mechanics, indicating that there is no consensus on the best choice. Some participants advocate for specific texts while others highlight the advanced nature of certain recommendations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the appropriateness of a textbook may depend on the specific syllabus and the student's background, including their familiarity with differential equations and other mathematical concepts.

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Students preparing for intermediate classical mechanics courses, educators seeking textbook recommendations, and individuals interested in the varying levels of complexity in classical mechanics literature.

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i'm taking second semseter of classical mechanics next semester. here's a syllabus of what's going to be covered. apparently the class uses Classical Dynamics of Particles & Systems/ Marion and Thornton. I saw on this site that the book is terrible. I'm not sure which book is appropriate for intermediate mechanics. i guess its between
Landau, L.D., Lifschitz, E.M., Course of Theoretical Physics, V. I: Mechanics
and
Goldstein, H., Classical Mechanics

if anyone can give more feedback concerning those two textbooks that would be great. or if there's another book i should consider please let me know.
 
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Marion and Thornton is one of the standard books on the topic. I also know people taking that exact same course this semester (at UW) who have no complaints about the book.
 
I've never seen Marion and Thornton's book or Landau and Lifschitz's book, but I got Goldstein and it's quite good. Of course, many people have said wonders about Landau's book.
 
Your link didn't work. So, I can't see your syllabus.
The answer depends on your taste and preparation. What was the text in part I?
In some schools, Goldstein and LL are "graduate texts".
Marion is definitely an undergraduate text. (One book that I didn't like was Symon's text.)

I'd say: get them all!
 
Yea, you can't see the link unless you're on campus at UW or a student.
 
Marion andf Thornton is one of the standard texts for Classical Mechanics at the undegraduate level. Landau's and Goldstein's books are standards for graduate level. Most of the PhD level people have suffered thru both at one time or another. A comnplete understanding will not happen in a year long course. it took me about 2 years off and on to master Marion, never sis spend the time to master Goldstein. I did learn enough to be able to work Quantum Mechanics because of it. If you don't have both on your shelf, you can't consider yourself a physicist.
 
Will engineers have the study of quantum mechanics?
 
What's wrong with Kleppner & Kolenkow, An Introduction to Mechanics (our lecturer calls it K^2)?

primarygun said:
Will engineers have the study of quantum mechanics?

I doubt it tbh.
 
whoops, didn't realize non UW ppl can't view it. anyways, i'll get the marion & thornton book (since its required).

no, engineers don't have to study quantum mechanics (actually very little physics, 3 std sem is sufficient). I'm computer engineering major but i like physics also so i'll be taking the 2 sem. quantum mechanics course my senior year. before that though, i'll have to take the intermediate mechanics and electromagnetics courses.

i decided to not take mechanics next semester since i haven't had differential equations yet. i plan on learning diff eq this winter break (using mit's vid lectures). that should make my life easier next semester when i take diff eq, but I'm also taking calculus (real) analysis. it'll be my first intermediate math class, hopefully i'll survive it.
 
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I can recommend Landau. I used the book for an advanced undergraduate course on mechanics, and found that his no-nonsense way of approaching the subject is very refreshing. It's a slim booklet, but looks can be deceptive :biggrin:
 
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Electrical Engineers will have to have a knowledge of Quantum Mechanics, there is quite a bit of work done in photonics.
 
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CrusaderSean said:
i guess its between
Landau, L.D., Lifschitz, E.M., Course of Theoretical Physics, V. I: Mechanics
and
Goldstein, H., Classical Mechanics

Your link didn't work for me, but I will still offer the following suggestion. You said that you are taking "intermediate" mechanics (I assume undergrad). In that case, neither of those books is for you. Landau and Lifschitz is for advanced undergrad/1st year grad, and Goldstein is definitely for grad students. You want a book called Mechanics by Symon. It's what I used for undergrad Intermediate Mechanics I-II, and it's excellent.
 
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Nylex said:
What's wrong with Kleppner & Kolenkow, An Introduction to Mechanics (our lecturer calls it K^2)?QUOTE]

That book is at an introduction level.


For intermediate mechanics, our course used the book Analytical Mechanics by Hand & Finch.

Marion and Thornton is good for some worked examples, but tends to be overly wordy.

However, I really liked "Landau, L.D., Lifschitz, E.M., Course of Theoretical Physics, V. I: Mechanics" The book is very clear and elegant. However, it is very advanced.

Although I have never used Goldstein, I have friends who read it and would recommend it.
 
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Analytical Mechancs = Langrangian and Hamiltonian Mechanics?
 
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Nylex said:
Analytical Mechancs = Langrangian and Hamiltonian Mechanics?

Yep. And, depending on one's taste, Hamilton-Jacobi.
 

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