Projectile and Conservation of Energy

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem involving the conservation of energy to determine the maximum height of a ball launched at an angle. The original poster expresses frustration with their attempts to derive the correct formula for maximum height using initial speed, gravitational acceleration, and launch angle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between initial velocity components and maximum height, questioning the application of conservation of energy principles. The original poster attempts various equations but struggles to apply the correct approach. Others clarify the role of velocity components at maximum height and discuss the conservation of energy in terms of kinetic and potential energy.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the conservation of energy approach. There are differing interpretations regarding the components of velocity and their implications for calculating maximum height. Some guidance has been offered, but no consensus has been reached on the correct formulation.

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The original poster is limited by the number of attempts they have left to solve the problem, which adds pressure to their inquiry. There is also an implicit assumption that the launch height is zero, which may not have been explicitly stated.

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Hi,

I need help; here's the question:

"A ball is launched as a projectile with initial speed v at an angle theta above the horizontal. Using conservation of energy, find the maximum height (hmax) of the ball's flight. Express your answer in terms of v, g, and theta."

I tried hmax = ((1/2)*(v^2))/(g) which didn't work; I then realized that it's not a straight throw the ball upward question.
I tried hmax = ((1/2)*((v)*sin(theta)))^2))/(g) and it didn't worked either; I thought I might have mistyped so I answered that question again, with the same answer.
I then got very frustrated and impulsive since I had only 2 more trys, so I tried hmax = ((1/2)*(vcos(theta)^2))/(g), which is obviously wrong and didn't work.

Now, I have only one more attempt remaining, please help.

Thanks in advance :confused:
 
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at max heigth, the y-component of the velocity is ZERO but the x component is [tex]v_x = v*cos(\theta)[/tex].

Via conservation of energy we can calculate the maximal height. We know v which is the initial velocity and i suppose you can say that the object is launched from the x-axis so the initial height is zero. (if this is not the case, the an initial value must have been given, nevertheless the algorithm remains the same.) Now let's evaluatue the total energy at two different heights : the maximal height and the initial height. The conservation means that the total energy is the SAME, so we have that : [tex]mgh_{max}+\frac{m{v_x}^2}{2} = mg*0 + \frac{m{v_{initial}}^2}{2}[/tex] Now solve this for h and the problem is solved...

regards

marlon
 
But wouldn't vinitial also = vcos(theta) = to vmax as well, in the x-axis, since this is the projectile motion? Shouldn't vinitial and vmax in the x-axis cancel each other out? and that only leaves us with vinitial in the y-axis, while vmax in the y-axis = 0? (and vinitial in the y-axis = v*sin(theta))
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But wouldn't vinitial also = vcos(theta) = to vmax as well, in the x-axis, since this is the projectile motion? Shouldn't vinitial and vmax in the x-axis cancel each other out? and that only leaves us with vinitial in the y-axis, while vmax in the y-axis = 0? (and vinitial in the y-axis = v*sin(theta))
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No absolutely not...

at maximal height the y-component (perpendicular to the horizontal x-axis) needs to be zero because you are no longer rising. The x-component of the velocity remains constant during the entire motion because gravity only works in the y-direction so that all forces in the x-direction are 0...

marlon
 
[tex]mgh_{max}+\frac{m{v_x}^2}{2} = \frac{m{v_{initial}}^2}{2}[/tex]

and

[tex]{v_{initial}}^2 = v^2[/tex]

so that

[tex]mgh_{max} = \frac{m}{2} * v^2 (1 - cos^2(\theta))[/tex]

regards
marlon
 

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