
#1
Nov411, 02:07 PM

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How can I get a general function that represents a series of 1 and 0, for example :
1,0,1,0,1,0,1,0...; but also 1,1,0,1,1,0,1,1,0...; 1,1,1,0,1,1,1,0,1... and so on; the first one is not difficult: a = n mod 2; where a=1 or 0; n=1,2,3... but if n=1 than a=2 (for the first one), and 2 is not solution That s one of the other difficulties in that problem. So I just need a general function for an x number of 1 (1,1,1,1...1,0,1,1,1,1,...0...). Always after a certain period of number 1 comes 0 The function must be valuable for all n; as you can see in my example when I put n=1, a=2, and that isn t solution 



#2
Nov411, 02:35 PM

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well if p is a prime number, then
f(n) = n^{p1} mod p will work. but if we want a function where the 0's come every six places, this approach won't work: f(n) = n^{5} mod 6 gives: (1,2,3,4,5,0,1,2,3,4,5,0,.....) 



#3
Nov411, 02:55 PM

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I want a general formula for all terms, including a function where the 0 s come every six places, and if its possible without primes.
The function must be strictly given for ALL TERMS and proven 



#4
Nov411, 06:35 PM

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general function that represents a series of 1 and 0
What's wrong with divides? (Or not divides in this case.)




#5
Nov511, 05:12 AM

P: 36

Can you give an example including that function f(n) = np1 mod p for
the series 1,1,1,0,1,1,1,0...; what is n in your case, which prime I have to put instead p... Explain this function. 



#6
Nov511, 06:50 AM

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Let w be a primitive m+1'th root of unity, say [itex]w = e^{i\frac{2\pi}{m+1}}[/itex].
Look at [tex]x_n = \frac{1+w^n+w^{2n}+...+w^{mn}}{m+1}.[/tex] We will have that [itex]x_0 = 1, x_1 = x_2 = ... = x_m = 0[/itex]. And then it repeats itself. If we take [itex]y_n = 1x_{n+1}[/itex] we will get the series [itex]y_1,y_2,... = 1,1,...,1,0,1,,1,...,1...[/itex] where there are m 1's for each repeat. The reason for this is that for each n [itex]w^n[/itex] is a k'th root of unity for some divisor k of m+1. k = 1 only when n is a multiple of m+1, i.e. n=0,m+1,2(m+1),... and so on. For these n [itex]x_n[/itex] will of course be 1. When n is not a multiple of m+1, then k will not be equal to 1, and [itex]1+w^n + (w^n)^2 +...+(w^n)^{k1} = 0[/itex]. So the series [itex]1+w^n+w^{2n}+...+w^{mn} = (1+w^n + (w^n)^2 + ... + (w^n)^{k1}) + (w^n)^k(1+w^n + (w^n)^2 + ... + (w^n)^{k1}) + ... + (w^n)^{k(\frac{m+1}{k})1)}(1+w^n + (w^n)^2 + ... + (w^n)^{k1}) = 0[/itex], and thus [itex]x_n = 0[/itex]. Note that for prime m+1, k will be equal to m+1 for all n except multiples of m+1. For your first example we will get [itex]y_n = 1\frac{1+(1)^{n+1}}{2} = \frac{1(1)^{n+1}}{2}[/itex], as 1 is a primitive 2nd root of unity. Generally [tex]y_n = \frac{m(w^{n+1}+w^{2(n+1)}+...+w^{m(n+1)})}{m+1},[/tex] or [tex]\frac{m(e^{i\frac{2\pi(n+1)}{m+1}}+e^{i\frac{2\pi 2(n+1)}{m+1}}+...+e^{i\frac{2\pi m(n+1)}{m+1}})}{m+1}.[/tex] 



#7
Nov511, 06:58 AM

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I'll repeat, what's wrong with "divides"? The sequence {a divides n} for a given a and n comprising the positive integers is the opposite of what you want. Take the logical negation and voila! there is your set of sequences.
By the way, you have a missing sequence, the trivial sequence, in your set of sequences. It is the sequence 0,0,0,... So let's start with this in terms of "divides". 1 divides every positive integer, so the sequence given by {d_{n;1}} where d_{n;1} is 1 divides n is the sequence of all ones (or all true). The logical negation of this sequence yields the trivial series 0,0,0,... . Now look at using 2 as the divisor. 2 does not divide 1, it divides 2, it does not divide 3, and so on. Thus {d_{n;2}} = {2 divides n} yields 0,1,0,1,... . The logical negation of this sequence yields 1,0,1,0,... : your first example. Now look at using 3 the divisor. 3 divides n results in the sequence 0,0,1,0,0,1,... . The logical negation yields 1,1,0,1,1,0 : your second example. Doing the same with 4 yields 1,1,1,0,1,1,1,0,... Divides (or does not divide) is exactly what you want here. 



#8
Nov511, 09:32 AM

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D H is right. And to add to that, if you want complex sequences (repeating pulse train rather than a simple rectangular wave) then just BooleanOR multiple divide terms.




#9
Nov511, 09:45 AM

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D H's solution is perfectly fine, it's more or less the definition of the sequences in question.




#10
Nov511, 10:58 AM

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disregardthat s function is fine but what if there is a huge number of 1
1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,...,1,0,1,...; than there is a lot of calculating; does exist a summation of ∑_(k=1, to m) e^((2iπk(n+1))/(m+1)) 



#11
Nov511, 11:00 AM

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#12
Nov511, 11:04 AM

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Yes, but I need that function for sth else and I have to get a general function
Is there exists a solution of summation that gave streber? 



#13
Nov511, 11:11 AM

P: 36

Oh, and I can t understand deveno s function; can u explain me
f(n) = n^(p1) mod p; what if I had a composite number? 



#14
Nov511, 11:47 AM

P: 36

I tried to solve the summation by wolfram alpha, but the program doesn t give me a solution. Have you another function but with mod function or sth else, as if H D s function, but his function works just for primes.




#15
Nov511, 10:33 PM

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When you say 1,1,1,1,...,1,0,1,1,... you need to know beforehand where that first 0 is. Otherwise you can't write down the problem. As soon as you fix where that first 0 is, D H's formula gives the answer immediately. So if your problem is "first zero is at 105" then "negation of 105 divides x" is the answer. Similarly if "first zero is at m" then "negation of m divides x" is the answer. 



#16
Nov511, 10:59 PM

P: 129

[itex]1\left\lfloor\frac{n}{6}\right\rfloor + \left\lfloor\frac{n1}{6}\right\rfloor[/itex]




#17
Nov611, 12:39 AM

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Xitami, n = 13.
Edit: Scratch that. I mucked my calculations. 



#18
Nov611, 04:19 AM

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Exactly pwsnafu. To properly define your sequences you already have the means to calculate each term.
The solution n (mod 2) to the sequence 1,0,1,0,... is more or less a repetition of the definition itself. I thought you wanted an algebraic solution to the sequences. 


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