Definite and Indefinite intregrals.

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The discussion revolves around the differences between definite and indefinite integrals, focusing on their definitions, interpretations, and mathematical properties. Participants explore conceptual understanding and seek clarification on these integral types.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the difference between definite integrals, which are associated with the area under a curve, and indefinite integrals, which do not have specified limits.
  • Another participant suggests that the requirement for a constant in the indefinite integral arises from the absence of limits, questioning if this reasoning is correct.
  • A third participant states that the indefinite integral includes a variable in its result, providing an example with the integral of x².
  • One participant notes that the indefinite integral allows for variability in limits, while definite integrals have fixed limits, referencing the fundamental theorem of calculus.
  • Another participant describes the indefinite integral as the function needed to differentiate to obtain the original function, while emphasizing the geometric interpretation of definite integrals as the area under the curve.

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Ok.

Im' confused between the difference of definite and indefinite integrals.


[tex]\int\limits_a_b[/tex]

[tex]\int[/tex]


The first integral here which is [tex]\int\limits_a_b[/tex] is about area below a curve.



Where a and b is the difference of the area under the function f(x). The [tex]\int\[/tex] is just the whole of all of the f(x) dx on an area.

Consider we have an area under the curve.

We will call the function f(x) = [tex]x^2[/tex]

The area under the curve is then defined as:

[tex]\int\limits_a_b f(x) dx = dL[/tex]

The [tex]\int\limits_a_b[/tex] is defined as all of dx of the function f(x) from a to b.

dx is a small infinitely small piece of the area under the curve.

dL is defined as the area.

I do not understand the integral:


[tex]\int[/tex] , which has no limits (a to b).

I know that this integral is backwards differenatation and requires a constant (I don't know what "arbitary" means, I think it means "fixed"?)

Such that,

[tex]\int x^2[/tex] = [tex]1/3^2 + C[/tex]


Help please?

Thanks :wink:
 
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OH!

I think it requires a constant because there is no limit! (like the area integral)
(No a to b)

Just popped in my head..am I right?
 
The indefinite integral has the variable as part of the answer. the integral of x2 is x3/3 + c. (You can verify by taking the derivative with respect to x - the derivative of c is 0)
 
The indefinite integral allows the upper or lower limit of integration to vary, while definite integration both the upper and lower limits are fixed. Hence we have the fundamental theorem of calculus.

Hopw this helps
 
The indefinite integral of a function (or the primitive) is nothing but the function you need to differentiate as to obtain the original function (a.k.a.the integrand).
The definite integral has the geometrical interpretation of the area under the graphic of the function which constitutes the integrand,and the Leibniz-Newton theorem establishes the connection between the two notions.
This is the simplest explanation one can give.
 

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