Showing f(x-y) = f(x) - f(y) for Additive Functions

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Ed Quanta
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Functions
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of additive functions, specifically exploring the relationship between the function values at different points, particularly focusing on the equation f(x-y) = f(x) - f(y). The scope includes theoretical reasoning and continuity implications within the framework of real-valued functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if f is an additive function satisfying f(x+y) = f(x) + f(y) and f(0) = 0, then it should follow that f(x-y) = f(x) - f(y).
  • One participant demonstrates that f(-y) = -f(y) by using the property of f at zero.
  • Another participant questions how the continuity of f at a specific point c implies continuity throughout the entire space of real numbers.
  • There is a suggestion that the continuity at c allows for translating arguments back to c, leading to a form of continuity for f(t).
  • A participant introduces a limit argument to show that if f is continuous at a point q, it can be extended to other points in the real numbers.
  • One participant mentions a more complex proof that if f is bounded on any interval and satisfies the additive property, then it is continuous.
  • Another participant discusses a Cauchy sequence approach to demonstrate continuity at zero, suggesting that if f is bounded, it leads to convergence and continuity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the implications of continuity and the properties of additive functions. There is no consensus on the difficulty of proving continuity under bounded conditions, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of continuity across the entire real line.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of the function f, such as its boundedness and continuity, are not fully explored or defined, leaving open questions about the generalizability of the results discussed.

Ed Quanta
Messages
296
Reaction score
0
Ok, so suppose f is a function which takes us from the Reals in p space to the Reals in m space. And f(x+y)=f(x) + f(y) for all x and y 's in the Reals in p space.

Now if f(0)=0, how do I now show f(x-y)= f(x) - f(y)?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
f(y-y) = f(0) = f(y) + f(-y) = 0 therefore f(-y) = -f(y).
 
Ahhhh, so now if f is continuous at some c is an element of the Reals in p space, how does this imply f is continuous throughout the Reals in p space?
 
Because you can translate everything back to c.
 
How?

f(x-y)=f(x)-f(y)

so were f(x-y)=f(n), we can always write this in terms of c

f(c-t)=f(c)-f(t) where t=c-n

We know at c, f is continuous, but how do we then conclude that for f(t)?
 
Let x= c+t, y=c+s for some s,t consider f(x-t) and the fact that if |x-y| < d then |t-s| < d

or if you prefer, an interval of width d centred on x can be translated back to an interval of width d centred on c.
 
Use 0 (the 0 vector in Rn of course).

Knowing that f is continuous at q means
lim(x->q)f(x)= f(q). Let h= x-q so that x= q+h and x= q is equivalent to h= 0. The limit becomes lim(h->0)f(q+h)= lim(h->0) f(q)+ f(h)= f(q)+ lim(h->0)f(h)= f(q) so
lim(h->0)f(h)= 0.

Now, if p is any other point, lim(x->p)f(x)= lim(h->0)f(p+ h) (taking h= x- p)
= lim(h->0) f(p)+ f(h)= f(p)+ lim(h->0)f(h)= f(p)+ 0= f(p) so that f is continuous at p.

In fact, it is possible to prove (but much harder, I understand) that if f(x+y)= f(x)+ f(y) and f is bounded on any interval, no matter how small, then f is continuous.
 
Is it hard? I've not seen this one before like this (though it's close to the bounded implies cont at 0)

Let x_n be a cauchy seqence tending to 0. Let y_n be the largest integer such that |x_ny_n| is still less than 1. Passing to a s subsequence, we may assume that y_n is strictly monotone increasing and y_n =>n, but then

|f(x_n)| < M/n where M bounds the value on the unit ball.

so f(x_n) is cauchy, hence converges to zero, so it's continuous at 0 and the previous result applies.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
5K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
4K
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K