Calculating Height Difference h of Hydraulic System Pistons

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The discussion revolves around calculating the height difference between two pistons in a hydraulic system, given their diameters, masses, and the fluid density. Participants are exploring the relationship between pressure and height in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the pressure calculations for each piston and the conditions for no fluid flow between them. There are questions about assumptions made regarding the system setup and the accuracy of the area calculations.

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Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and assumptions, while others provide alternative perspectives on the pressure equations involved. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the initial answer, but guidance has been offered regarding the assumptions and calculations.

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Participants are considering the implications of the fluid connection between the pistons and the assumptions about pressure equality at the base of the cylinders. There is mention of potential errors in area calculations affecting the final height difference.

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In a hydraulic system the piston on the left has a diameter of 4.5 cm and a mass of 1.7 kg. The piston on the right has a diameter of 12 cm and a mass of 2.5 kg. If the density of the fluid is 750 kg/m3, what is the height difference h between the two pistons?
can someone please help me with this?
[tex]A_1 = (3.14)(0.045m/2)^2 = 0.000506m^2[/tex]
[tex]A_2 = (3.14)(0.12m/2)^2 = 0.0036m^2[/tex]
[tex]P_1 = mg/A_1 = (1.7kg)(9.8N/kg)/0.00506m^2 = 32924.9[/tex]
[tex]P_2 = mg/A_2 = (2.5kg)(9.8N/kg)/0.0036m^2 = 6805.56[/tex]
[tex]P_1 - P_2 = (\rho)(h)(g)[/tex]
[tex]h = (P_1 - P_2)/(\rho)(g)[/tex]
[tex]h = 3.55m[/tex]
 
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What help do you need? You have the right answer.

I assume that the cylinders are connected at the bottom and the fluid is not flowing through that connection. This means that the pressure at the bottom of each cylinder is the same. Since the pressure at the bottom of each is:

[tex]P = F/A = (mg + \rho Vg)/A[/tex] where V = volume = hA

the condition for no flow is:

[tex]P_1 = P_2[/tex] so:

[tex]m_1g/A_1 + \rho h_1g = m_2g/A_2 + \rho h_2g[/tex]

[tex]m_1/A_1 + \rho h_1 = m_2/A_2 + \rho h_2[/tex]

[tex]m_1/A_1 - m_2/A_2 = \rho (h_2 - h_1)[/tex]

[tex]\Delta h = (m_1/A_1 - m_2/A_2)/\rho)[/tex]

AM
 
are you sure cause i got the answer wrong so i thought i did something wrong. i think i made a wrong assumetion somewhere
 
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mikep said:
are you sure cause i got the answer wrong so i thought i did something wrong. i think i made a wrong assumetion somewhere

I was using your values for area of the pistons, but I see that you forgot to multiply by [itex]\pi[/itex]. So divide your answer by 3.14 (1.13 m).

AM
 
oh and i had it setup right too. thanks
 

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