What do you think about The name Macedonia that George W. Bush gave to FYROM?

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The discussion centers around the naming of the country known as the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) and the implications of George W. Bush's decision to recognize it as "Macedonia." Participants explore historical, cultural, and political dimensions of the name, including references to Alexander the Great and the broader Balkan context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Alexander the Great was Macedonian, while others challenge this by stating he was Greek or of mixed heritage, highlighting the complexity of historical identity.
  • One participant argues that the current inhabitants of Macedonia are Slavic and arrived in the region after the fifth century AD, questioning the historical claims of modern Macedonians.
  • Another participant expresses support for recognizing the name "Makedonija," suggesting that the current name reflects the wishes of the people living there.
  • Concerns about Islamic intolerance in the region are mentioned, with some suggesting that President Bush's actions were aimed at reducing tensions, despite potential offense to Greek citizens.
  • Participants discuss the historical significance of the name and the political motivations behind the naming dispute, with some expressing confusion over the Greek politicians' reactions to the name issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the historical identity of Alexander the Great or the appropriateness of the name "Macedonia." Disagreements persist regarding the implications of the name and the historical claims associated with it.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various historical interpretations and national identities, indicating a complex interplay of cultural narratives that may not be universally accepted. The discussion reflects ongoing tensions and differing perspectives on national identity in the Balkans.

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If there any Greek person actually visiting the forum, i want to make known to him that Alexandre the Great was Macedonian not Greek, it is better for everybody to tell the History as it is?
I am in favour of what Mr. Bush did regarding this issue, are you?
 
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I think his mother was GreeK, no? Macedonia has the same problem we all do, Islamic intolerance. President Bush was correct in trying to reduce tensions within Macedonia even though it offended the Greeks as if he or we care.
 
Isn't Macedonia now a province/region in Greece no?\

And what kind of spelling is Alexandre? I've only ever seen the Latin forms Alexander and Alexandros.
 
Dear Adrian007, you say:
ardian007 said:
If there any Greek person actually visiting the forum, i want to make known to him that Alexandre the Great was Macedonian not Greek, it is better for everybody to tell the History as it is?
Let me first clarify that though I live currently in Greece I'm not Greek but Albanian so I'm not much interested on the nationality of Alexander the Great. But to say that he was Macedonian is stupid. Today's Macedonians are a slavic people that came in the Balkans after the fifth centuty AD, while Alexander lived Before Christ. As a matter of fact he was half Greek half Albanian (Greek father, Illyrian mother). I don't want to debate more on this and don't want to raise Alexander's values. By history he was gay and would burn a city (like the majestic Persepolis) every time he was drunk.
Now regarding the name Macedonia I don't see any problem and that's how me and most of the world calls it. I really don't understand these Greek politicians who want to make a mountain out of a molehill, just because of the name of a country (not Macedonia but Federal Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia)! None of the parties is willing today to claim territories from each other. On one hand Greece could claim all the Macedonian territory of the ancient time (including all of today's Macedonia and part of Bulgaria) while Macedonia could claim a good part of Northern Greece it had a few centuries later, including Salonica, and even Chalkidiki. Regarding his decision I think that George Bush was right.
 
It's time to recognize Makedonija, if that's what the people wish call their country.

As ramollari pointed out, what is there now is not what was there 2350 years ago. Many people have passed into, out of and through the Balkans.
 

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