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| Dec24-11, 04:36 PM | #1 |
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Debunked: 14,000 Fukushima Deaths in U.S.
Last Monday a press release announced the shocking result of a new study:
Medical Journal Article: 14,000 U.S. Deaths Tied to Fukushima Reactor Disaster Fallout Immediately seeing major problems with that study by Mangano & Sherman (M&S), I asked a statistician what he thought of it. He crunched the data and while he found several devastating statistical problems, his most remarkable finding was that the U.S. infant-death data M&S report as being from the CDC does not jibe with the actual CDC infant-death data for the same weeks. The M&S infant-death data allegedly from the CDC can be seen here (go to Table 3, page 55). And the actual CDC infant-death data can be seen here (go to Locations, scroll down and select Total and press Submit for the data; the data for infants is in the Age column entitled "Less than 1"). The mismatching data sets are included at the end of this post, and with the links I've provided here, everything I'm saying can be independently confirmed by the reader. Here are the mismatching data sets, note that post-Fuku weeks 15 through 24 do match: 2010 (weeks 50-52) 2011 (weeks 1-25) wk M&S CDC 50 : 202 216 51 : 129 143 52 : 113 130 1 : 158 183 2 : 177 208 3 : 158 185 4 : 148 171 5 : 178 208 6 : 173 182 7 : 188 206 8 : 158 186 9 : 174 199 10 : 165 182 11 : 188 209 12 : 201 211 13 : 210 213 14 : 198 204 15 : 163 163 16 : 188 188 17 : 200 200 18 : 196 196 19 : 214 214 20 : 224 224 21 : 196 196 22 : 152 152 23 : 174 174 24 : 191 191 25 : 215 217 The nature of the mismatch is that all the pre-Fukushima M&S data points are lower than the actual CDC data points and bias the data set to to a statistically significant increase in post-Fukushima infant deaths. But in the actual CDC data, there is no statistically significant increase. The statistician also found that even M&S's data for all-age deaths was in fact not statistically significant, contrary to the claim of M&S. Why the infant data are mismatched is not understood at this time. However, a review of the archived copies of the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report archive finds that the historically released data points for the weeks in question jibe with the CDC's MMWR database. So I see no reason to believe the CDC's online data are not the true data. |
| Dec24-11, 07:01 PM | #2 |
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It's too speculative and resources you linked don't seem credible enough.
Here's one response to the OP article: http://nuclearpoweryesplease.org/blo...oseph-mangano/ I didn't read through the article. |
| Dec24-11, 07:47 PM | #3 |
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I'm sorry you don't find the CDC to be credible enough. And my only other links were to the study in question and to its press release. Given that the study is the topic of discussion, linking to it directly is far more credible than linking to a opinion piece on it (and the piece you link to I agree with, but it's on an earlier version of the study). Your comment is nonsense! :) |
| Dec24-11, 10:19 PM | #4 |
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| Dec24-11, 11:05 PM | #5 |
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| Dec25-11, 04:37 AM | #6 |
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Um, I linked to the CDC database and rootX said the "resources you linked don't seem credible enough." So becasue I linked to the CDC database you to believe I thought the CDC wrote the study, oy vey! |
| Dec25-11, 05:30 AM | #7 |
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| Dec25-11, 05:44 AM | #8 |
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| Dec25-11, 06:23 AM | #9 |
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| Dec25-11, 07:45 AM | #10 |
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| Dec25-11, 09:20 AM | #11 |
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This explains their data manipulation that resulted in the mismatch above. From page 52 of their paper (bold emphasizes the manipulation):
So Mangano & Sherman's pre-Fuku data (weeks 50 - 11) only included 104 cities (of the 122 cities in the CDC database), but for the post-Fuku data (weeks 12 - 25) they included 119 cities. The exclusion of cities from the pre-Fuku data resulted in a lowering of total-death counts that thereby produced a statistically significant post-Fuku increase in deaths. The statistician I'm communicating with eliminated the same cities from the post-Fuku data so that the number of cities remains constant at 104 across the data set, and then the statistical significance disappears. A crystal clear example of massaging the data until it fits your thesis -- pathetic! |
| Dec25-11, 09:45 AM | #12 |
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Too bad research fraud doesn't carry civil peanalties.
If I sell a can of dog food with the wrong order of ingredients I can loose my license to manufacture pet food. |
| Dec25-11, 10:03 AM | #13 |
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In many pure scientific cases, scientific conduct might get one fired from job, e.g., at a university. Of course, these days, I'd expect faulty research to be covered by freedom of speech, much the way that faulty or fraudulent financial information, e.g., AAA ratings on junk financial instruments was considered an opinion covered by freedom of speech. |
| Dec25-11, 10:08 AM | #14 |
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Civil? It should be criminal. Andrew Wakefield, for example, should be tried for homicide for every measles-related death caused by his fraudulent (and bought and paid for) study.
Ideally in Texas. |
| Dec25-11, 10:12 AM | #15 |
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But I could believe that 14,000 new-age airheads went into a state of blind panic and starved their kids to death for fear of feeding them something dangerous...
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| Dec25-11, 10:23 AM | #16 |
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I also find it disturbing that someone would actually report on this study:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...135859288.html (from OP) Whoever wrote the news article seems to be consulted only two people, Joseph Mangano and Janette Sherman. ![]()
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| Dec25-11, 10:26 AM | #17 |
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Also from the paper,
The gap in changes for infant deaths (+1.80% in the latter 14 weeks, –8.37% for the earlier 14 weeks) was even larger.If a 1.80% deviation is statistically significant, what does that make a deviation that is over four times larger? This must prove that those babies born before Fukushima were somehow prescient and knew that they had to stay alive to offset the post-Fukushima deaths. Or maybe it means that the shorter a time interval one looks at, the larger the deviation. Or it could just mean that the authors cooked the books. |
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