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Nonlinear 2ndorder diff 
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#1
Dec2611, 10:58 PM

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Hi, I want to solve a differential equation but I have never dealt with nonlinear equations before.
Here it is : A  B/x = x" for x(t) A,B are constants you can absorb the negative if it matters. I would like an analogical answer, but I'm not sure if it's possible. And any explanation or link to explain on how to solve would also be appreciated. 


#2
Dec2611, 11:46 PM

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I tried some manipulation using rules of differentiation. And used the quadratic to get a new relation, then I assume there is only 1 solution and set the discriminate to 0. I don't know if I'm allowed to all of it. I then set d^{2}x/dt^{2} = y And then got the equation C(y")^{2} = y another nonlinear I can't solve. If the discriminate is 0 then yA = By"/y/2



#3
Dec2711, 01:18 AM

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It is not possible to express the function x(t) in terms of standard functions.
The function t(x) is obtained on the form of an integral, which is the closest form as a formal solution. From the integral, x(t) can be computed thanks to numerical means. 


#4
Dec2711, 02:03 PM

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Nonlinear 2ndorder diff
Very Interesting, and the method makes a lot of sense wish I thought of it. Thanks.



#5
Dec2811, 06:44 AM

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The solution given by JJacquelin is correct. In fact your system is conservative, it can be written as a system of first order ODE
\begin{eqnarray} x' & = & y \\ y' & = & \frac{b}{x} + a \end{eqnarray} Divide one equation by the other to get \begin{equation} \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{b/x + a}{y} \end{equation} Separate the variables and integrate to obtain the Hamiltonian \begin{equation} H(x,y) = \frac{y^2}{2}  a x + b \ln x \end{equation} The level sets H(x,y) = E are the trajectories of your system in the phase space. If you need the time parametrization from this equation you can get \begin{equation} y = \pm \sqrt{2(a x  b \ln x + E)} \end{equation} Introduce this in the first equation, separate the variables and integrate \begin{equation} \int \frac{dx}{ \sqrt{2(a x  b \ln x + E)}} = t  t_0 \end{equation} and you find the solution given by JJacquelin. This is a standard procedure to solve second order ODE stemming from conservative systems. 


#6
Dec2811, 03:44 PM

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Well it better be conservative, otherwise my physics is wrong. If anyone is interested. This equation comes from the movement of a flat surface with two pressures that are reaching equilibrium. The motion I restrained to be linear. x is the length of a closed volume. I'm a little confused by the Hamiltonian. I've only seen it operate on a wave function. It makes sense to make it the total energy as A and B define parameters of the pressure and if there is a greater difference in pressure there should be more energy in the system. But, it doesn't make sense to me that the constant C1 would be the Energy, since there is a dependence. Maybe it is net energy and be 0 in the equation? And would be a value if it was in a theoretical potential but for mass? Could you help figure what C1 should be?
This is my work. With a enclosed surface like box or cylinder like. Letting only one surface move. x is the length so x = 0 would have 0 volume. Po*A  Pi*A = Fnet = m*d^{2}x/dt^{2} ; Po  outside pressure ; Pi  inside pressure; A  area of surface. Pi = nRT / (xA) ; m = σ*A ; σ being a surface mass density to get to my equation above a  b/x = d^{2}x/dt^{2} ; where a = Po/σ and b = nRT/(σA) I think from the integral is should be from x_{0} to x_{eq} (equilibrium). Which x_{eq} can be solved with a  b/x = 0 > x_{eq} = b/a And then the integral can go from x_{0} to b/a to give a solution for Δt. But, JJacquelin is the more general solution. I think the ± comes from the x able to go either direction, but is dependent on a and b. Still not sure about C1 I don't really need an answer, but I like practicing problems I come up with. And, Thanks 


#7
Dec2911, 01:37 PM

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In classical mechanics the Hamiltonian is a function of the
(generalized) coordinates and momenta. The energy is fixed by the initial conditions \begin{equation} E = H(x(0),y(0)) \end{equation} Starting from x(0), y(0) the system evolves along the curve H(x(t),y(t)) = E for all t. The constant C_1 actually is the energy. You can understand it if in the derivation given by JJacquelin, you consider definite integrals between x(0) and x(t) instead of indefinite integrals. 


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