Elementary function for n > 0 is n=1

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The discussion centers on the integral \(\int x^n \cdot \sqrt{1-x^n} \ dx\) and whether it can be expressed as an elementary function for integer values of \(n > 0\). Participants explore specific cases, particularly \(n=1\) and \(n=2\), and question the general case for \(n \geq 3\).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the integral is an elementary function only for \(n=1\) and \(n=2\).
  • One participant provides a transformation of the integral for \(n=1\) and \(n=2\) but claims that for \(n \geq 3\), it cannot be solved analytically in terms of elementary functions.
  • Another participant requests proof of the assertion regarding \(n \geq 3\) being impossible to express as an elementary function.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about their claim and suggests consulting literature on integration and elliptic integrals for a more authoritative perspective.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the ability to express the integral as an elementary function for \(n \geq 3\). Some participants agree on the cases of \(n=1\) and \(n=2\), but the general case remains contested.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of elementary functions and the conditions under which the integral can be solved. There are references to the need for proofs or counterexamples, indicating a lack of resolution on the claims made.

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Readers interested in integral calculus, particularly those exploring the boundaries of elementary functions and the properties of integrals involving roots and powers.

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[tex]\int x^n \cdot \sqrt{1-x^n} \ dx[/tex]
It seems as the only time this is an elementary function for n > 0 is n=1 and n=2, can you prove / disprove this? n is an integer
 
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hedlund said:
[tex]\int x^n \cdot \sqrt{1-x^n} \ dx[/tex]
It seems as the only time this is an elementary function for n > 0 is n=1 and n=2, can you prove / disprove this? n is an integer

[tex]\int x^{n}\sqrt{1-x^{n}} dx=\int (-\frac{x}{n})(-nx^{n-1})\sqrt{1-x^{n}} dx=-\frac{2}{3}\frac{x}{n}(1-x^{n})^{\frac{3}{2}} +\frac{2}{3n}\int (1-x^{n})^{\frac{3}{2}} dx[/tex]

The last integral can be solved immediately for "n=1" and through a sin/cos substitution for "n=2".As for "n>=3" (natural) it is impossible to solve analitically and express it through "elementary functions".

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
As for "n>=3" (natural) it is impossible to solve analitically and express it through "elementary functions".
Can you prove that?
 
daster said:
Can you prove that?

I'm not a mathematician and I'm not claiming to be one.That assertion was purely based on my mathematical "flair" and on my past experience of solving integrals.For a proof or for a counterexample i'd advise you to consult a book which extensively covers integration in general and elliptic integrals in particular.


Daniel.
 

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