Good References for Functional Derivatives

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The discussion revolves around finding comprehensive online references for functional derivatives, particularly focusing on differentiation rules for composite functionals and related concepts in variational calculus.

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  • One participant requests references that go beyond basic definitions of functional derivatives, seeking detailed rules for differentiating composite functionals.
  • Another participant suggests looking into Gateaux and Frechet derivatives, explaining their relevance in the context of integral functionals commonly encountered in physics and variational problems.
  • A specific example involving the calculation of the Gateaux derivative is provided, illustrating the process and results.
  • Further references on Gateaux and Frechet derivatives are recommended, including several texts on variational calculus.
  • One participant expresses a desire for more general rules about differentiation of functionals, indicating they found a document that meets their needs, but later mentions that the link to the document does not work.
  • Another participant acknowledges the previous points but admits to being new to the topic and not fully accustomed to the details.
  • A request for assistance is made regarding the broken link to the document, with a plea for anyone to share the PDF.

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Participants express differing needs regarding the level of detail in references for functional derivatives. While some focus on specific types of derivatives, others seek more general rules. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the availability of the requested document.

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Does anyone know good online references about functional derivatives? Most of the documents contain only the definition, but I would like some more complete material containing, for example, rules for differentiate composite functionals and other details.
 
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You should be looking for Gateaux or Frechet derivatives, its rather easy in the case of integral functionals, which are the most common situation in physics and variational problems. What you are mostly looking is to linearize your functional, the linear part corresponds to the Frechet derivative. For example, let

[tex]F(x,f(x))=\int_a^b\sqrt{1+f'^2(x)}dx[/tex]

[itex]f(a)=A,f(b)=B[/itex]

(path length between A and B)

In this case we can calculate the Gateaux derivative using the definition:

[tex]D_hf(x)=\frac{\partial}{\partial t}F(x,f(x)+th(x))\mid_{t=0}[/tex]

doing a little algebra you can easyly prove that

[tex]D_hf(x)=\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)h'(x)}{\sqrt{1+f'^2(x)}}dx[/tex]

The Frechet derivative is more powerfull though, because it allows us to calculate the derivative of more types of functionals.

Let [itex]J(y)[/itex] be a functional of [itex]y(x)[/itex]. The Frechet derivative is given by

[tex]J(y_0+h)=J(y_0)+DJ(y_0)h+o(\|h\|)[/tex]

let

[tex]J(y)=\int_a^b G(x,y,y')dx[/tex]

then

[tex]J(y+h)-J(y)=\int_a^bG_y(x,y,y')h+G_{y'}(x,y,y')h'dx+o(\|h+h'\|)[/tex]

[tex]D_hG(x,y,y')=\int_a^bG_yh+G_{y'}h'dx[/tex]

the example above yields the same result, as expected.

For further references on Gateaux and Frechet derivatives you should check a book of Variational Calculus, i could recommend the following texts.

TROUTMAN. Variational Calculus with elementary convexity.
COURANT. Calculus of Variations.
GELFAND & FOMIN. Calculus of Variations
CARATHEODORY. Calculus of variations and PDE's.
MIKLIN. Variational methods in mathematical physics.
COURANT & HILBERT. Methods of mathematical physics, Vol.I.
 
Thanks. I appreciate your reply, but what I was looking for was something more general: rules about differentiation of a general functional.

Luckily I could finally find a document that has what I was looking for. For anyone interested, it is at the address


http://phys.cts.nthu.edu.tw/member/staff/qft.pdf
 
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Heh, its the same thing. They use the Frechet derivative. The other results are just properties of it :P
 
Hmm... True. But you must forgive me, I´m learning it now and I´m not too much used to the details. Anyway, thanks again. :smile:
 
Sorry but i need help in this too...the link doesn't work ...any one has that pdf?
 
Alamino said:
Thanks. I appreciate your reply, but what I was looking for was something more general: rules about differentiation of a general functional.

Luckily I could finally find a document that has what I was looking for. For anyone interested, it is at the address


http://phys.cts.nthu.edu.tw/member/staff/qft.pdf

the link doesnot work, do u still have the pdf...?
 
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