Convergence tests for sequences not series

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of sequences, specifically exploring tests and conditions that may indicate whether a limit of a sequence exists. Participants express interest in understanding the behavior of sequences based on the ratio of successive terms and seek relevant theorems or definitions related to this topic.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if the limit of the ratio of successive terms, limn→∞ a(n+1)/a(n) = 1, then the limit of the sequence a(n) exists.
  • Another participant counters this by providing a counterexample with the sequence a(n) = n, suggesting that the initial claim is incorrect.
  • A suggestion is made to look into Cauchy sequences and provides a link for further reading.
  • One participant challenges the need for theorems, stating that the definition of a convergent sequence suffices to determine convergence by finding the limit directly.
  • A later post proposes considering a bounded counterexample to the initial conjecture regarding the ratio test.
  • Another participant reflects on the implications of the limit laws and expresses uncertainty about the treatment of limits in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed conditions for convergence. There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial claims, and multiple competing perspectives are presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the application of limit laws and the treatment of sequences, indicating a need for clarification on definitions and conditions for convergence.

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I'm trying to find out tests with regards to determining if a limit of a sequence exists or not (ie convergence of sequences), since evaluating a particular limit may not always possible.

For example it seems to me that if for a particular sequence a, if
limn->infty a(n+1)/a(n) = 1, then limn->infty a(n) exists.

It also seems like if
limn->infty a(n+1)/a(n) >1, then limn->infty a(n) = infty.

This make sense to me, but I've been searching online for theorems such as these to no avail. Everything I see is with regards to the convergence of series, but not sequences.

Can someone point me to the relevant theorems? Thanks!
 
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For example it seems to me that if for a particular sequence a, if
limn->infty a(n+1)/a(n) = 1, then limn->infty a(n) exists.

Nope, let a_n = n.
 
Thanks for the correction Muzza. Thanks Tenaliraman. I've found what I was looking for.
 
how about asking for a bounded counterexample to your conjecture.
 
no need of any theorems ,the definition of a convergent sequence is lim n->infnty x=l
l=limit of the sequence,just find the limit,if it exists,if it is unique,then te sequence is convergent.....
 
learningphysics said:
I'm trying to find out tests with regards to determining if a limit of a sequence exists or not (ie convergence of sequences), since evaluating a particular limit may not always possible.

For example it seems to me that if for a particular sequence a, if
limn->infty a(n+1)/a(n) = 1, then limn->infty a(n) exists.

It also seems like if
limn->infty a(n+1)/a(n) >1, then limn->infty a(n) = infty.

This make sense to me, but I've been searching online for theorems such as these to no avail. Everything I see is with regards to the convergence of series, but not sequences.

Can someone point me to the relevant theorems? Thanks!

For the first one, consider

The sequence defined by a(n) = n+1*10^(-n).

Lim a(n+1)/a(n) = 1(I hope I didn't screw that up), but clearly the sequence is unbounded.

Not sure about the second.

But, if I have limit laws correct(not sure if you can treat two terms of the same series like this..).

lim a(n+ 1)/a(n) = lim a(n+1)/lim a(n) > 1, so lim a(n+1) > lim a(n),

I'm not sure what that means.
 
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