Definition of Energy: Principle of Conservation of Energy

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The discussion revolves around the definition of energy and its relationship to the Principle of Conservation of Energy. Participants explore various interpretations and implications of energy, including its ability to do work and its transformations between forms. The scope includes conceptual clarifications and philosophical inquiries regarding the nature of energy.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether there is a universal and complete definition of energy, suggesting it may be defined by its conservation principle.
  • One participant states that energy is the ability to do work, prompting further inquiry into what grants energy this ability.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the relationship between energy and force, noting that both seem to depend on each other for existence.
  • Concerns are raised about the meaning of energy in the context of equations like E=mc² and the concept of "mystic energy," indicating a lack of clarity in understanding energy in physics.
  • A historical perspective is introduced, contrasting "caveman physics" with "Renaissance physics," emphasizing the evolution of the concept of energy as a quantity expended to perform work.
  • One participant proposes that energy can be viewed as equivalent to accelerating a mass over a distance, or the potential ability to do so.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a singular definition of energy, and multiple competing views remain regarding its nature and implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and relationships between energy, work, and force, indicating a need for further clarification and exploration of these concepts.

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Is there an universal and complete definition for energy? Or has energy already being defined by the Principle of Conservation of Energy?

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed

We know that energy can be transformed from one form to another, but a force has to be applied to change the form of energy. e.g. When a man lifts a brick, the chemical energy possessed by the man is transformed into potential energy, and the transformation is caused by the force applied on the brick exerted by the man.

I am confused of which comes, because neither force or energy can exist beforehand of one another. (Energy transfoms to other forms because of force, but the existence force and its magnitude is also dependent on the amount of energy).
 
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Energy is the ability to do work.
 
Energy is the ability to do work.

Yes. But gives energy the ability to do work?
 
Originally posted by Hyperreality
Yes. But gives energy the ability to do work?

its definition i think
but really, energy doesn't have the ability to do work, it is the ability to do work.
 
I've also had trouble with the definition of energy. What about the "E" in e=mc2?
and mystic energy (i never understood that; my mind is polluted with the energy in physics!)
 
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Originally posted by Hyperreality
Is there an universal and complete definition for energy?
Yep. It's a parameter used in physical
equations... :wink:
(Or like some one here said - the measure of the
ability to do work.)

Live long and prosper.
 
Like you want to do some work, say, to lift a stone, and you find it takes effort. This is caveman physics.

More advanced. You multiply the mass of the stone by the distance it was lifted. This gives you a measure of the work required. Then you conceive that in doing the work you expended some quantity of something. Call that something energy, and the quantity of energy expended is set exactly equal to the amount of work done. This is Renaissance physics.

Once you have the idea of energy as what you have to expend in order to do work, you can do all sorts of things with it. You can talk about relativistic energy and quantum energy and the law of conservation of (mass&) energy.
 
Energy is equivalent to accelerating a mass over a distance, or the potential ability to do so.
 

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