Finding the charge given distance apart + some more

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving two charged spheres suspended by threads, where one sphere has a charge that is twice that of the other. Participants are tasked with determining the charges on each sphere and the nature of the charges (positive or negative) based on the given angles and forces acting on the spheres.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the geometry of the problem, including the formation of a right triangle to find the distance between the spheres. There are attempts to apply Newton's laws and free body diagrams to analyze the forces acting on each sphere. Questions arise regarding the nature of the charges and whether both can be determined.

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Some participants have provided insights into the equilibrium conditions required for the charges, suggesting that the charges must have opposite signs to create the observed angle. Others have attempted to derive equations based on the forces involved, but there is no explicit consensus on the final values of the charges yet.

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Participants note the importance of using correct units for mass and the implications of this on the calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the challenge posed by having two unknowns in the equations.

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Two spheres, each having a mass of 50.0 mg, are suspended from a common point by massless threads 50.0 cm long. One of the spheres has been given a charge twice that of the other. The strings make an angle of 6 degrees.

What are the charges on each of the spheres?

What kind of charge is on each sphere (Positive or Negative) ? Explain.

First, I said that the distance between the two spheres is 0.0523m since you can form a right triangle using 0.5m [50cm] as the hypotonose, and 3 degrees as an angle. and multiplying that answer by 2 giving me the distance between the two spheres.

From that I know one sphere = 2q, while the other sphere = q.

So... F = (K)(q)(2q) / (r^2)

From there I'm stuck, since you have two unknowns (charge 'q' and force 'F')


I'm thinking of using F=ma = 0 (a=0), then finding using a Free Body diagram to find the force on each sphere and adding them and setting them to zero?

So sphere 1 and 2's forces = mg, tension, Electric Force (F/q)
where the Forces are equal?

I'm not too sure, can anyone give me any suggestions? Thanks for any help.
 
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1.The 2 charges have to have opposite charge signs,else they wouldn't repel each other and would not make an angle of 6°.
2.The charges need to be in equilibrium,which means they have total acceleration zero,this meaning that the net force acting one each other is zero.
3.Write Newton's principle for each charge,knowing the 3 forces that act on each of them.
4.Use projections of forces on axes of coordinates conveninetly chosen and geomtry of the figure to find the unknowns.


Daniel.
 
So finding exactly whether it's both positive or negative can not be done?

Also, would my equations look like this?

er... would the vectors added be: m1g, m2g, k(2q)(q) / r^2, k(2q)(q) / r^2, T1, and T2?

add them as vectors and set them equal to zero and solve for q?
 
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I got it. Thank you.

I did F = ma = 0.

and one sphere = equilibrium, created a right triangle with mg, Tension, and Electrical force. Knowing [mg] and the angles, I solved for the Electrical Force.

Then set that = to (k)(2q)(q) / r^2, where r = 0.0523 and k = 9x10^9.

q = 1.96 x 10^-9
2q = 3.93 x 10^-9
 
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thursdaytbs said:
I got q = 6.25 x 10^-8C
Me too. This is the charge on the lesser charged sphere.
 
Galileo said:
Me too. This is the charge on the lesser charged sphere.

The problem with that was that I had [mg] wrong. For the mass, I used the gram value of the mass instead of the kilogram value.
 

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