Two theory questions involving Earth/Moon. Should be easy for you guys.

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The discussion revolves around two theoretical questions related to the gravitational interactions between the Earth and the Moon. The first question considers the implications of a hypothetical doubling of the Earth's mass on the Moon's orbit. The second question compares the gravitational forces exerted by the Earth on the Moon and vice versa, as well as the resulting accelerations of both bodies.

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  • Participants explore the effects of increased mass on orbital dynamics, with one suggesting a potential change in orbital radius. Others question the assumptions behind these changes and consider the application of Newton's laws to analyze gravitational forces and accelerations.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various perspectives on the questions posed. Some guidance has been provided regarding the application of Newton's laws, while there is ongoing exploration of the implications of mass changes on orbital characteristics. Multiple interpretations of the questions are being examined.

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Participants express uncertainty about the theoretical implications of mass changes and the nature of the Moon's orbit, indicating a need for clarification on concepts such as conservation of energy and angular momentum.

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I need help with the following questions because I don't fully understand the theory behind these questions.

1. If the Earth's mass were double what it is, in what ways would the Moon's orbit be different?

2.Which pulls harder gravitationally, the Earth on the Moon, or the Moon on the Earth? Which accelerates more?
 
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DLxX said:
2.Which pulls harder gravitationally, the Earth on the Moon, or the Moon on the Earth? Which accelerates more?

I'm certain you can figure that out yourself. The answer to the first question will be obtained in comparing the equation of the gravitationnal force exerted on both object (on by the other). The answer to the second question follows from comparing the accelerations given by F = ma applied to both objects

[tex]\vec{F}_{earth \rightarrow moon} = m_{moon}\vec{a}_{moon}[/tex]

and

[tex]\vec{F}_{moon \rightarrow Earth } = m_{earth}\vec{a}_{earth}[/tex]

after you've found the relationship between these two forces.

Hint: ask yourself "what would be 'a' if the moon and the Earth had the same mass"? And what about if the mass of the moon is smaller than that of the earth?
 
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After thinking about it for 30 minutes, I think, I think, that if the mass of the Earth were to sudently double, the moons orbit would gradually drop to an orbit of radius twice as small. I have considered the moon's orbit as circular.

(I am bothered by the radial part of the acceleration in polar coordinates...

[tex]a_r=\ddot{r}-r\dot{\theta}^2[/tex]

How do you read that?! "The radial component of acceleration equals the radial acceleration minus the centripetal acceleration" ?! That doesn't sound right!)
 
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quasar...

What you have written looks like the magnitude of the entire acceleration to me, not just the radial component. Are you sure it was a r, and not simply a?

By the way...I have no idea what would happen to the moon's orbit if the Earth's mass suddenly doubled. :frown:

DlxX: Another way of thinking about question 2 is to consider two of Newton's three laws...which the equation that quasar told you to consider definitely satisfy. Quasar already wrote out Newton's 2nd law to answer the second part of 2. But do you know which of his laws that I am hinting at immediatly states the answer to the first part of 2?
 
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quasar987 said:
if the mass of the Earth were to sudently double,the moons orbit would gradually drop to an orbit of radius twice as small. I have considered the moon's orbit as circular.
WRONG...use conservation of energy... the orbit of the moon will become an ellipse...

edit: and conservation of angular momentum
 
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