Is Work Positive or Negative in Thermodynamics?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of work in thermodynamics, specifically addressing whether work is considered positive or negative when applied to a gas. Participants express confusion regarding the relationship between work and changes in volume, as well as the definitions and implications of work in different contexts.

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  • Participants explore the definitions of work in thermodynamics, questioning when work is positive or negative. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between work and volume changes, with references to differential work and its implications in different scientific contexts.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of work being explored. Some participants have offered definitions and analogies to aid understanding, while others continue to seek clarification on the concepts presented.

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There appears to be a lack of consensus on the definitions and implications of work in thermodynamics, with references to different perspectives from chemistry, engineering, and physics. Additionally, some participants mention mnemonic devices used in teaching to remember the concepts.

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I am confused about work. If I do positive work ON a gas, does the volume decrease on increase? Essentially, I am just confused about when work is negative and when it is positive. Hopefully someone can clarify this for me.

Thanks.
 
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Differential work is defined as
[tex]\delta W=<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-p" title="Stick Out Tongue :-p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":-p" />dV[/tex]

in the case of a gas which doesn't interact with the surroundings through other means.

Daniel.

PS.Judge it for yourself...
 
It takes work to compress a gas, but it takes no work at all to let one expand.

- Warren
 
dE = δq + δw , differential change in internal energy of a system equals the sum of the heat added to the system plus the work done on the system, where δw = - PdV, and dE = δq - δw, diff. change in energy equals heat added minus the work done by the system, where w = PdV. The first statement is commonly (not always) used in chemical thermodynamics, and the second is commonly used by engineers and physicists. dV is positive for an increase in the volume of the system for both statements; the distinction in the sign of w is made when one considers whether work is defined to be done on or by the system. Chemists emphasize the system, engineers and physicists emphasize the work.
 
Belly Button

our teacher keeps telling us this to remember work - you know how people can either have innie or outie belly buttons? well, most people have innies, but there are outies, too. since most people have innies, innies are thought of as "good". Now, if work is going into the gas (innie) then work is positive. if work is going out of the gas (outtie) it's negative. weird, but it works! (hahah no pun intended) :wink:
 

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