The covariant derivative of a contravariant vector

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The discussion revolves around the covariant derivative of a contravariant vector, specifically focusing on the mathematical formulation and implications of the associated equations. Participants explore the derivation and application of the covariant divergence in the context of differential geometry.

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  • One participant asserts that the components of the Gamma (Christoffel symbols) are not zero in general cases and provides equations related to the differentiation of the determinant of the metric tensor.
  • Another participant questions the derivation presented, suggesting that there should be three terms in the right-hand side of the covariant divergence equation, indicating a potential discrepancy with their own results.
  • A participant provides specific equations related to the covariant derivative and the Christoffel symbols, including the relationship between the determinant of the metric tensor and its derivatives.
  • There is a request for clarification regarding the terms involved in the covariant divergence equation, indicating a need for further discussion on the definitions used.

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Participants appear to have differing views on the formulation of the covariant derivative, particularly regarding the terms involved in the equations. The discussion remains unresolved as participants clarify and challenge each other's contributions.

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There are indications of missing assumptions and potential dependencies on definitions, particularly regarding the Christoffel symbols and their derivations. The discussion highlights the complexity of the topic and the need for careful consideration of mathematical steps.

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Since there are some equations in my question. I write my question in the following attachment. It is about the covariant derivative of a contravariant vector.

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Can anyone give me some guidance?
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Okay.
1.Those Gamma's components are not zero...Not in the general case,anyway...

2.I'll use the column-semicolumn notation (though we physicst are not really fond of it...)
In the following,"g" is the determinant of the metric tensor:
[tex]g_{,i}=g \ g^{kl} g_{kl,i}[/tex] (1)
(1):This is the rule as how to differentiate the determinant of a matrix...

[tex]A^{i}_{;i}=A^{i}_{,i}+\Gamma^{i} \ _{ij}A^{j}[/tex](2)

(2):The covariant divergence (the one u're interested in).

[tex]\Gamma^{i} \ _{ij} =\frac{1}{2}g^{ki}(g_{kj,i}+g_{ik,j}-g_{ji,k})<br /> =\frac{1}{2}g^{ki}g_{ki,j}=\frac{1}{2g}g_{,j}[/tex] (3)

In getting (3) I made use of the definition of 2-nd rank Christoffel symbols (mannifold with both connection & metric) and of relation (1).

Use (3) and (2) and the fact that:
[tex]g=(\sqrt{g})^{2}[/tex] (4)

to get your result.

Report any problems...

Daniel.
 
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Thank you for your reply.
But from your result (3), there should be 3 terms in the following equation's second part of right hand side.
[tex]A^{i}_{;i}=A^{i}_{,i}+\Gamma^{i} \ _{ij}A^{j}[/tex]
Then the result is not the same with my results.
 
What 3 terms are u talking about??The ones in the definition of Christoffel's symbols...??

Daniel.
 

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