What is the Integral of f(x)=1/x from x=1 to x=infinite?

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function f(x) = 1/x from x = 1 to x = infinity. Participants explore the implications of this integral, including its evaluation and the relationship to the natural logarithm function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks about the integral of f(x) = 1/x, noting the behavior of the function as x approaches infinity.
  • Several participants provide the antiderivative of 1/x, stating it is ln|x| + C, and discuss the derivative of ln x being 1/x.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the variable substitution (u) used in the integral notation.
  • Another participant explains the process of calculating integrals at infinity using limits, specifically stating the formula for evaluating the integral from 1 to infinity.
  • There is a suggestion that the integral does not yield a numerical answer, but rather a function, prompting further clarification on the origin of ln(x).
  • One participant asserts that the integral from 1 to infinity is undefined or infinite, depending on interpretation.
  • Another participant corrects a previous statement regarding the use of the chain rule in the derivation of ln(x). They affirm the correctness of the result and method presented.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the integral's value, with some suggesting it is undefined or infinite, while others focus on the relationship to the natural logarithm. There is no consensus on a definitive answer to the original question.

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Some participants exhibit uncertainty regarding the concepts of limits and the behavior of integrals at infinity, which may affect their understanding of the discussion.

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I have the function f(x)=1/x , and there's two asymptotes, the x-and y-axes. As x gets larger, the f(x) becomes smaller, but it is never 0. So my question is, what is the intergral from x=1 to x=infinite?
 
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[tex]\int \frac{1}{u}\,du=\ln{|u|}+C[/tex]
 
The derivative of ln x is 1/x so like the person stated above

[tex]\int (1/u)du = ln|u| + C[/tex]
 
I'm sorry, but I'm so lost already. Could somebody please explain it to me? What is u?
 
Aki said:
I'm sorry, but I'm so lost already. Could somebody please explain it to me? What is u?
Let me put it in a simpler form, just replace u with x something you are probably more common to seeing.

Now the derivative for the ln x = 1/x.

now if you have [tex]\int {1/x}dx[/tex] you know that's the derivative of the ln of x, so you end up with that = [tex]ln|x| + C[/tex]

this is just based of knowing the derivative and antiderivative of ln x, that's all you need to know.
 
integrals at infinity are calculated by

[tex]\int_1^{\infty}f(x)dx=\lim_{t{\rightarrow}\infty}\int_1^tf(x)dx[/tex]

if you use this in combination with the info above you can calculate it
 
kreil said:
integrals at infinity are calculated by

[tex]\int_1^{\infty}f(x)dx=\lim_{t{\rightarrow}\infty}\int_1^tf(x)dx[/tex]

if you use this in combination with the info above you can calculate it

I never learned that yet. That's pretty cool.
 
so basically, there's not "number" answer to that questions? The answer is just a function?
and also where did ln(x) come from?
 
[tex]\int_1^{\infty} \frac{1}{x}dx[/tex] is undefined, or infinite.. depend on which one you feel more comfortable

where did ln x came from...hmmm... it came from [itex]\frac{d}{dx} lnx = 1/x [/tex]... so your next question is why this is true...<br /> <br /> assume you know product rule and the derivative of e^x is e^x itself<br /> <br /> [tex]e^{\ln{x}} = x[/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]\frac{d}{dx} e^{\ln{x}} = \frac{d}{dx} x[/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]e^{\ln{x}} \frac{d}{dx} (\ln{x}) =1[/tex] --------product rule<br /> <br /> [tex]x \frac{d}{dx} (\ln{x})=1[/tex] <br /> <br /> [tex]\frac{d}{dx} (\ln{x}) = \frac{1}{x}[/tex]<br /> <br /> so the anti-derivative of 1/x is ln(x)[/itex]
 
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Erm vincentchan don't you mean the chain rule?
 
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Yes,it is the chain rule...Anyway,the result is correct and the method of finding it is correct as well...

Daniel.
 

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