Potential of a Linear Quadrupole

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equation for the potential of an electric linear quadrupole, with participants examining the algebraic expressions and approximations involved in the derivation process.

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  • Participants discuss the original poster's attempts at deriving the potential, questioning the accuracy of approximations and the correctness of charge configurations. There are inquiries about the algebraic steps leading to discrepancies with textbook results.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's reasoning and algebra. Some express confidence in the calculations, while others raise concerns about the charge configuration and potential errors in the textbook. No consensus has been reached regarding the correct form of the potential equation.

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There are mentions of potential errors in the textbook and the need for clarification on the charge arrangement in the linear quadrupole setup. The original poster also notes the challenge of finding reliable external resources for the equation.

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Can anyone tell me how to derive the equation for potential of an electric linear quadrupole?

http://img142.exs.cx/img142/8715/quadrupole3tj.jpg

My attempts yielded:

[tex]V = \frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0} [\frac{1}{R_1} - \frac{2}{R} + \frac{1}{R_2}][/tex]

[tex]V = \frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0} [\frac{RR_2 - 2R_1R_2 + RR_1}{RR_1R_2}][/tex]

Approximating with R >> d, I set [tex]RR_1R_2 = R^3[/tex]
And I set [tex]R_1 = R-d\cos\theta[/tex] and [tex]R_2 = R+d\cos\theta[/tex]

Substituting in the equation, I get:

[tex]V = \frac{qd^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0R^3} [1+\cos{2\theta}][/tex]

However, the book's answer states that the potential

[tex]V = \frac{qd^2}{8\pi\epsilon_0R^3} [1+3\cos{2\theta}][/tex]

And I don't see how they got that. Was my approximation too inaccurate? Is there a geometric way to approximate this without going into taylor/maclaurin series expansion?

Thanks for any help offered!
 
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your reasoning seems fine and your algebra is correct..( except you have a typo, it should be 8pi in the denomenator instead of 4 pi)
is that the exact problem? do you draw your graph or is it provided in the problem? I want to make it clear before I get my hand wet...

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you said you have a linear quadrupole but I see 3 charge only... that is not a quadrupole, that's why I asked this question...
 
Hi!

Perhaps I should have made it clearer. It's a linear quadrupole because the charge in the middle (at the origin is -2q) while the charges on the top and the bottom are +q. The diagram itself was taken directly from the textbook, so it should be correct.

Since it was badly drawn, though, I'll try to explain it a bit better. At the origin, there is a -2q charge. At distance +/-d from the origin, on either side of the -2q charge on the same axis, are two +q charges.

As for the [tex]8\pi[/tex], can you tell me how you got that?

In the second-to-last step in my algebra, I have:

[tex]V = \frac{qd^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0R^3} [2\cos^2\theta][/tex]

Which then converted to [tex][1+\cos{2\theta}][/tex].

Thanks a lot!
 
In my mind,everything you did is perfect...Are u sure with the values of the charges.You know,when added,they give 0...

Daniel.
 
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Are they not supposed to add up to 0? For example, in a dipole, you have +q and then -q, which adds up to zero.

The textbook has been known to have errors, but I'm not sure my answer should be that far off from the given one. Does anyone have any links to a site that could give the equation for the potential of a linear quadrupole? I googled for it and only got an http://www.shef.ac.uk/physics/teaching/phy205/L4_questions.htm that was sort of close to mine which calculated for any point along the axis (instead of any point that could also be away from the axis).
 
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I've spend some time on this problem but can't find any error...

ps
the 4 pie things, I thought it was a typo becasue i saw the answer is 8pie but indeed it is not...
 

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