Some in U.S. voting with their feet

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The discussion revolves around the concept of individuals choosing to leave the United States due to dissatisfaction with the political climate, particularly in the context of the George W. Bush administration. Participants explore the implications of such decisions, the importance of civic engagement, and the role of education in fostering understanding of constitutional rights.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a personal connection to their communities and the emotional difficulty of considering leaving the U.S. due to political changes.
  • There is a mention of a significant number of eligible voters who did not participate in elections, suggesting a need for systemic change rather than opting out.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of educating students about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as a foundation for civic responsibility.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of military service and the understanding of constitutional duties among service members.
  • Some participants express a sense of frustration with the political leadership and question the morality of government actions, reflecting on personal responsibility and the impact of taxes.
  • Others express a more humorous or sarcastic take on the situation, indicating a mix of seriousness and levity in the discourse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of views, with some advocating for active engagement in political change while others express a desire to leave the country. There is no clear consensus on the best course of action or the implications of voting with one's feet.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions touch on unresolved issues regarding the effectiveness of the Supreme Court in addressing concerns raised during the Bush administration, as well as the broader implications of civic education.

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VANCOUVER, British Columbia Christopher Key knows exactly what he would be giving up if he left Bellingham, Washington.

"It's the sort of place Norman Rockwell would paint, where everyone watches out for everyone else and we have block parties every year," said Key, a 56-year-old Vietnam War veteran and former magazine editor who lists Francis Scott Key, who wrote "The Star-Spangled Banner," among his ancestors.

But leave it he intends to do, and as soon as he can. His house is on the market, and he is busily seeking work across the border in Canada. For him, the re-election of George W. Bush was the last straw.

"I love the United States," he said as he stood on the Vancouver waterfront, staring toward the Coastal Range, which was lost in a gray shroud. "I fought for it in Vietnam. It's a wrenching decision to think about leaving. But America is turning into a country very different from the one I grew up believing in." [continued]
http://iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2005/02/06/news/refuge.html
 
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Approximately 45-50 million people did not vote for either Bush or Kerry, and they just didn't vote.

Bush only got about 36% of the elligible vote.

It does not help to walk or run away from a problem. One must take a stand and do one's best to change the system for the better.
 
You have a long battle ahead. For us, there is the reality of time.

I would start by making sure that every student who graduates from high school has a clear understanding of, and due respect for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. When everyone understands that these alone define everything the US has ever been, then you will have a beginning.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
You have a long battle ahead. For us, there is the reality of time.

I would start by making sure that every student who graduates from high school has a clear understanding of, and due respect for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. When everyone understands that these alone define everything the US has ever been, then you will have a beginning.

How about those kids who are swearing in? They take an oath to support and defend the constitution but they never read it?!?:rolleyes:

Instead, they just take orders. Sad and dangerous!

Any thoughts on the Iran invasion?
 
I try not to think about it.
 
Really glad to hear people voting with their feet and caring that much !
 
If your leader can talk with his arse, people can vote with their feet ! :smile:
 
I guess that is simpler than leading a campaign for change.
 
I would never just leave the US; well, until my right to a fair and speedy trial was removed. Which it was. Did the supreme court do enough to stop what bush/ashcroft started? They certainly didn't do it fast enough.

Some of the things the bush administration has done are just so obviously immoral. How much of my taxes are spent on those things? How responsible does that make me? I also believe the US does good things, so leaving would make me not a part of those things too. Is it worth it?

Hard questions.
 
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PerennialII said:
Really glad to hear people voting with their feet and caring that much !

Actually per, I am too british(german, scotish, irish, and with a dash of cherokee) to really stand for any of it!

I'm ready and willing, arh you willing ta organise ladd?!?

Thar blud shall bu sufficiant price if you knaw what I meen? :bugeye:

Theeese pansies frum Da Ca shuld paey thu priece! :-p

Thay havn't rally leeved ef you knaw whut eye meen! Thyme ta teech thum a lusson! :smile:

Phuk'm,so thay tall thu c'mmun man! Thyme to geeve thum a taeste uv thar uwn meducene! :smile:

(I'm only abiding by the Jeffersonian mandate!)
 
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polyb said:
Actually per, I am too british(german, scotish, irish, and with a dash of cherokee) to really stand for any of it!

I'm ready and willing, arh you willing ta organise ladd?!?

Thar blud shall bu sufficiant price if you knaw what I meen? :bugeye:

Theeese pansies frum Da Ca shuld paey thu priece! :-p

Thay havn't rally leeved ef you knaw whut eye meen! Thyme ta teech thum a lusson! :smile:

Phuk'm,so thay tall thu c'mmun man! Thyme to geeve thum a taeste uv thar uwn meducene! :smile:

(I'm only abiding by the Jeffersonian mandate!)

1st read was a bit :confused: and the 2nd was :biggrin: ... shouldn't think when reading.
 
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PerennialII said:
1st read was a bit :confused: and the 2nd was :biggrin: ... shouldn't think when reading.

That was my best or worst imititation of a priate of sorts, I guess!:biggrin: