Interior angles of a triangle on a spherical surface

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The discussion revolves around the properties of triangles on a spherical surface, specifically addressing why the sum of the interior angles exceeds 180 degrees. The conversation includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications related to spherical geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the curvature of the spherical surface leads to a different angle sum, noting that on a positively curved surface, the sum of angles in a triangle is greater than 180 degrees.
  • Others argue that the definition of a triangle involves straight lines intersecting in a way that is influenced by the curvature of the surface, which allows for unique properties not present in planar geometry.
  • A participant describes a physical model using rubber bands on a tennis ball to illustrate how angles can be measured and how they demonstrate that the sum exceeds 180 degrees.
  • There is mention of how the angles behave differently on surfaces with negative curvature, suggesting that such triangles would sum to less than 180 degrees.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the curvature of the surface affects the sum of the angles in a triangle, but there are varying explanations and models presented, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved in terms of a singular, definitive understanding.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the definitions of angles and triangles in non-Euclidean geometry, as well as the need for further exploration of how curvature influences geometric properties.

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Explain me why the sum of the interior angles of a triangle is not equal to 180 degrees on a spherical surface?
 
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In simple terms,because the surface (unlike the simple case of a plane) is not flat but curved and the definition of an angle between 2 coordinate curves is the same in all possible cases.Since the total curvature of the 2-sphere is positive (more,it is even constant),the sum of all angles in a spherical triangle is not 180° anymore,but more...If the surface had negative total curvature (the saddle,or mathematically rogurous:hyperbolic paraboloid),the angles in a triangle would add to less than 180°.

This part of geometry is really interesting... :approve:

Daniel.
 
Here's my take on it:

First you have to consider what a triangle is. It's three straight lines L1, L2 and L3 that have the property that L1 and L2 intersect where L3 does not intersect them, L1 and L3 intersect where L2 does not intersect them, and L2 and L3 intersect where L1 does not intersect them.

Spherical surfaces have the interesting property that two lines can intersect even if they share a common line perpendicular to each (not possible in a plane). I think that's the most important part of understanding how this works. Angles on a spherical surface are also measured at the vertex, before curvature dictates a smaller angle, so think of the angle measurement as like a tangent line to this curve at a vertex.

I think a physical description of this is easiest to see on a tennis ball with 3 rubber bands to represent lines, so I'll try and describe what I mean using that as a model. First, construct two lines with rubber bands (they'll fly off if you don't put them around the fattest circumference of the sphere in the particular way you angle them, so might as well do that). The rubber bands should look something like longitudinal lines on a globe. You'll notice the lines intersect. All you have to do now is place a third rubber band perpendicular to one of the rubber bands, but if it's perpendicular to one you'll see it's perpendicular to both. In this fashion you've made two triangles (actually three but just disregard it), so pick one to study.

Look at each vertex straight on. The angle measurements of two of those vertices should be 90 degrees because you placed a third rubber band perpendicular to the other two. The third one has some angle measurement too but I think that suffices to prove the sum of the interior angles is greater than 180 degrees. If you're still a little shaky because I told you how to make a specific triangle, try moving the first two lines closer together: Sure one angle gets smaller but the other two stay the same at 90 degrees, so you're still > 180 degrees by some amount.

The above is just how I look at it and I'm sure some would disagree with me. mathworld has a nice picture to illustrate the point too: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SphericalTriangle.html
 
Thanks for the explanation!
 

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