What Distinguishes Exact from Inexact Differentials in Thermodynamics?

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The discussion focuses on the distinction between exact and inexact differentials in thermodynamics, particularly in the context of the first law of thermodynamics. Participants explore the mathematical and conceptual implications of these differentials, including their representation and significance in thermodynamic equations.

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  • One participant, Erik, asks about the difference between exact and inexact differentials, referencing the first law of thermodynamics and the notation used for differentials.
  • Another participant, Daniel, explains that exact differentials can be expressed as total differentials of state functions, while inexact differentials cannot be represented in the same way, citing the mathematical features discussed in thermodynamics texts.
  • A third participant discusses the characterization of exact differentials as integrals that yield zero around closed loops, using the angle function as an example of a non-exact differential.
  • Daniel further emphasizes that the terminology may vary across different texts but the underlying mathematics remains crucial.
  • Erik expresses some confusion but indicates that they are currently treating inexact differentials as if they were exact, suggesting a lack of immediate concern about the distinction.
  • Another participant reiterates that the condition for a differential to be exact is that its integral over every closed loop must be zero, linking this to the concept of conservative force fields.

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Participants present multiple viewpoints on the definitions and implications of exact and inexact differentials, with no consensus reached on a singular interpretation or understanding of the concepts.

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Some participants express uncertainty about specific terminology, such as "state variable," and the discussion includes varying levels of familiarity with the mathematical concepts involved.

krusty the clown
What is the difference between an exact and and inexact differential?
These were introduced in my physics 2 book with the first law of thermodynamics represented by differentials,

dEint= dQ + dW

Then, it has a note that says
"Note that dQ and dW are not true differential quantities because Q and W are not state variables; however dEint is. Because dQ and dW are inexact differentials, they are often represented by the symbols dQ and dW ,both with lines through the vertical part of the d's. Sorry, I it wouldn't let me open the latex instructions.

Thanks- Erik
 
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Well,the short version is that
If dU is an exact differential,and U(T,V,N) is the function,then

[tex]dU=\frac{\partial U}{\partial T} dT+\frac{\partial U}{\partial V} dV+\frac{\partial U}{\partial N} dN[/tex] (1)

[itex]\delta Q[/itex] and [itex]\delta L[/itex] are not total differentials,maening the functional dependence of the functions Q and L cannot put us in the position to write an equality similar to (1).I'm sure that every serious thermodynamics text (Callen,Greiner) discusses this mathematical feature.

Daniel.
 
When I hear that language it makes me think of the following case: an exact differential is an expression of form df where f is a single valued function. another characterization is that a differential is exact if its integral around every closed loop is zero.

sometimes however one encounters expressions like dtheta, where theta of course is the angle function. now since the angle function is multivalued, not single valued, and since the integral of dtheta around the unit circle is 2pi and not zero, dtheta is not exact although it looks like one.

As an ignorant bystander I am going to guess this is also what is going on in your situation. but i mgiht be wrong since i do not understand any of the other words in your post. like "state variable"...
 
That's merely a convention.Still the mathematics behind 1 forms is essential.Names can change from book to book.

Daniel.
 
I still don't understand completely, but at this point we are just treating them like exact differentials so it isn't that important right now. I was just a little currious.

Thaks for you help.
Erik
 
if the integral over every closed loop is zero then they are exact, otherwise not. that's it.

these are sometimes called conservative force fields.

i.e. if that quantity you are calling E(int) cannot change when you traverse a closed path, then it is conservative, and dE(int) is exact.
 

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