A Study of Anti-Woman Attitudes Throughout Western History

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The discussion centers on the historical and cultural origins of anti-woman attitudes in Western history, with a focus on the role of religious texts and cultural norms. Participants explore the implications of these attitudes across various cultures, comparing Western and non-Western practices.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant highlights the historical roots of anti-woman cultural norms in Judeo-Christian texts, suggesting that these beliefs have been perpetuated through generations and have harmful effects on women's well-being.
  • Another participant argues that attributing these attitudes solely to Christian culture is incorrect, asserting that similar anti-woman sentiments can be found in various ancient and modern cultures, including Chinese, Hindu, and Islamic traditions.
  • A participant comments on the biblical prescriptions for punishment, questioning the rationale behind stoning as a method of rectification for transgressions.
  • Some participants express agreement with the notion that anti-woman attitudes are a broader human legacy rather than being confined to any single culture or religion.
  • One participant introduces the idea that infidelity carries additional consequences beyond lineage uncertainty, such as the risk of sexually transmitted diseases, suggesting that fidelity has practical reasons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the attribution of anti-woman attitudes, with some emphasizing the Judeo-Christian influence while others argue for a more universal human legacy. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which these attitudes are culturally specific or broadly human.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various cultural practices and historical contexts, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities of these comparisons or the implications of the cited cultural norms.

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Today, I just completed reading this study of anti-woman cultural norms throughout Western history. It explains the historical origins of these beliefs and how the passing of these cultural memes throughout the generations affected the well-being of females:

Written by Professor John Hartung Ph.D.

Chastity & Fidelity

Biblical Roots of the Short Leash On Women

Men's problem with paternity -- the possibility that their putative children are not their genetic offspring -- can be alleviated by killing brides who do not bleed on first penetration, by murdering prospective wives who are not virgins, by torturing and murdering wives who are suspected of adultery, and by executing women who have committed adultery. The effectiveness of these practices is enhanced if they are codified and sanctified by religious texts that inculcate cultural norms. Such legitimacy is lent to sexual repression and violence by Judeo-Christianity's holy scriptures.


Although some non-Western cultures also sanctify these practices, in other cultures women have traditionally been "very free and at liberty in doing what they please with themselves" (Barbosa 1500:105-6). It follows that the Bible's dark legacy is more an artifact of religion than a stipulation of human nature.

KEY WORDS: Chastity; Adultery; Paternity; Sexual repression; Murder; The Bible; The Torah; The Talmud, The Midrash Rabbah

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Complete article at http://members.aol.com/toexist/CFhome.html
 
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It is TOTALLY wrong to hang these attitudes upon the Christian culture as such.
While no Biblical fan myself, you should check into:
1) Ancient Chinese culture
2) Ancient Hindu culture
3) Modern Islamic culture
+ a lot other cultures.
This dark legacy is not specifically Christian, it is a specific HUMAN legacy, however little we may like it.
 
". . . if the thing is true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones . . ."

I like that: stone her to death with stones. What else would you stone someone to death with? It really makes you wonder what the Jewish fascination with stoning is. It seems that for every transgression committed, the old testament prescribed stoning as rectification.
 
arildno said:
It is TOTALLY wrong to hang these attitudes upon the Christian culture as such.
While no Biblical fan myself, you should check into:
1) Ancient Chinese culture
2) Ancient Hindu culture
3) Modern Islamic culture
+ a lot other cultures.
This dark legacy is not specifically Christian, it is a specific HUMAN legacy, however little we may like it.

I personally agree with you. But, Professor John Hartung, coming from a Jewish background, has an interest in focusing on the Judeo-Christian aspect, while not denying anti-woman attitudes in other cultures as well.
 
arildno said:
It is TOTALLY wrong to hang these attitudes upon the Christian culture as such.
While no Biblical fan myself, you should check into:
1) Ancient Chinese culture
2) Modern Hindu culture
3) Modern Islamic culture
+ a lot other cultures.
This dark legacy is not specifically Christian, it is a specific HUMAN legacy, however little we may like it.

Corrected.
 
Infidelity has more consequences than uncertain lineage of children; STDs, for example. There are good reasons to be faithful to your spouse.