Did Antonio Salieri Kill Mozart ?

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The discussion revolves around the historical question of whether Antonio Salieri was responsible for the death of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Participants explore various perspectives on this topic, including references to popular culture, historical accuracy, and the implications of mental health on Mozart's life and choices.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
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  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Salieri did not kill Mozart, while others reference the film "Amadeus" as suggesting otherwise.
  • One participant argues that the notion of Salieri's guilt is based on rumors and artistic license rather than historical fact.
  • There are claims that Mozart suffered from mental illness, which some argue influenced his behavior and decisions.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that while Salieri may have contributed to Mozart's struggles, ultimately, Mozart's financial irresponsibility and personal choices led to his demise.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the value of the discussion, suggesting it is speculative without concrete evidence.
  • There are references to the inaccuracy of the portrayal of Mozart in "Amadeus," with claims that he was not as child-like as depicted.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of reading referenced texts to understand the context of the discussion better.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether Salieri was responsible for Mozart's death, with multiple competing views remaining. The discussion includes both supportive and critical perspectives on the interpretations of historical events.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on interpretations of historical texts and popular media, while others highlight the limitations of discussing events that occurred centuries ago without definitive evidence. The discussion also touches on the complexities of mental health and personal responsibility in historical contexts.

DID SALIERI KILL MOZART ???

  • YES

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • NO

    Votes: 10 66.7%
  • What the hell is this about ???

    Votes: 4 26.7%

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Did Antonio Salieri Kill Mozart ?

Well, did he ?

If you want to know the real deal, check out this text :

https://www.physicsforums.com/journal.php?s=&journalid=13790&action=view

ps : i have included a website from CALTECH, which also explains the words in my signature...This is for for those, who do not "speak" :bugeye: Latin

regards
marlon
 
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No, he did not.
 
Since the facts are prescribed and the one responsible (if any) cannot be punished,there's no point in discussing it...

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Since the facts are prescribed

no they are NOT

and the one responsible(if any) cannot be punished,

:smile: sighs, was that the intention ? :rolleyes:

there's no point in discussing it...

Daniel.

Then don't...


marlon
 
Pardon my ignorance,but i thought the period of prescribing a criminal act was waaaaaaaaay less than 300 years...
Wouldn't that mean to trial Romulus for killing Remus and convict him to hard labor for life,AFTER LIFE...?

Daniel.
 
I saw the movie, he definitely killed Mozart. But since he too is now dead, I doubt a trial would be meaningful.
 
dextercioby said:
Pardon my ignorance,but i thought the period of prescribing a criminal act was waaaaaaaaay less than 300 years...
Wouldn't that mean to trial Romulus for killing Remus and convict him to hard labor for life,AFTER LIFE...?

Daniel.

Who said anything about a trial ?

You brought that up, I didn't...

Look, just vote and shut up...

marlon :zzz:
 
dextercioby said:
Pardon my ignorance,but i thought the period of prescribing a criminal act was waaaaaaaaay less than 300 years...
Wouldn't that mean to trial Romulus for killing Remus and convict him to hard labor for life,AFTER LIFE...?

Daniel.
You can put the blame on his upbringing. His foster-mother was a bitkh, after all..:wink:
(I had to substitute a "k" for a "c", due to PF censorship)
 
arildno said:
You can put the blame on his upbringing. His foster-mother was a bitkh, after all..:wink:
(I had to substitute a "k" for a "c")
:smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

marlon :smile:
 
  • #10
You are funny dude. :smile:
The movie is not very accurate. I think Mozart killed himself, through is own craziness. But in sens, since Salieri dreamt about being Mozart, we could consider Salieri was the human incarnation of Mozart's craziness, so I voted "YES" :approve:
 
  • #11
A hard core Mozart fan. Just the sort of person I like. :biggrin:

Even if Salieri drove Mozart to death it was Mozart's own fault to fall into debt, as most people believe he did. He lived in a child's world and was unable to grow up enough to take responsiblity for his money as his father was the one that normally did in his young. He didn't know when to say no to drink but his genious was about to blossom because of it. What we did get from Mozart was genious and only God knows what else we could have got from him.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
  • #12
Mozart was proven to suffer from mental illness, for sure. You cannot blame him with childish attitude, it was part of the symptoms. He would touch himself behind the piano shouting insanities.

But eh ! there was no genius like him so he could afford originality
:biggrin:
 
  • #13
Humanino,u never told us:"who's the chick with the dog"...?

Daniel.
 
  • #14
My dream girl :biggrin:
So she does love Mozart's requiem obviously :wink:
 
  • #15
humanino said:
My dream girl :biggrin:
So she does love Mozart's requiem obviously :wink:
:smile: :smile: :smile:

Mozart was not mentally ill...he was just a bit , err, childish in nature

marlon
 
  • #16
Chronos said:
I saw the movie, he definitely killed Mozart. But since he too is now dead, I doubt a trial would be meaningful.

Amadeus was not historically accurate - the idea that saleri murdered Mozartcomes from a rumour started years after Mozart's death that Mozart claimed that Saleri attempted to poisoon him at an earlier stage.

The Movie also potrayed Mozart as child-like and giggling buffon which again was most ceratinly not the case. Also Mozart did not die in poverty up until his death as he still had a pretty substantial income even if he was given to overspending.
 
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  • #17
I had a feeling the movie used "artistic licence" quite a bit. Also, marlon, I thought for sure I recognized at least that first line of Latin as being from the requiem when I first read your signature, but I don't know much about it.
 
  • #18
cepheid said:
I had a feeling the movie used "artistic licence" quite a bit. Also, marlon, I thought for sure I recognized at least that first line of Latin as being from the requiem when I first read your signature, but I don't know much about it.

You are right about my signature. read the last entry of my journal if you want to know what it means.

Mozart was indeed not the childish buffon from Amadeus. In fact he was quite timide, often very weak and not very strong (his health, that is...)

The rumours about the attempt of Salieri to poison Mozart are also untrue according to my data. The situation with the requiem and Mozart's death is explained in my journal, more specific in the Caltech-website on Mozart...

marlon
 
  • #19
It's all speculation Ladies and Gentlemen, Short of exhuming the body and looking for signs of mental illness and a myriad of other possibilities with the latest technology, this discussion is as usefull as pissing into the wind.
 
  • #20
Wardw said:
It's all speculation Ladies and Gentlemen,

Sighs, once again, please take the effort to read the texts i am referring too. It is not the intention of this thread to answer back with useless posts on speculation , which are FALSE in nature. You should have realized that, if you had read the texts. Please, read before you answer and don't post obvious general truths that don't even apply here and that is why i said your answer is WRONG.


marlon
 

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