Finding the integral of an unknown function

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The discussion revolves around a calculus problem involving the integral of the derivative of an unknown function, specifically focusing on the conditions under which the fundamental theorem of calculus (FTC) applies. Participants explore the implications of continuity and differentiability of the function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem requiring the evaluation of the integral of f'(x) from 0 to 1, noting the potential complexity due to the unspecified nature of f(x).
  • Another participant suggests that the integral can be evaluated using the FTC, assuming f is continuous.
  • A different participant questions whether continuity is necessary, arguing that the integrability of f' suffices for applying the FTC.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of differentiability and continuity of f, while others focus on the continuity of the derivative df/dx as a critical factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of continuity for applying the FTC, with some asserting it is required while others argue it is not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these conditions.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that f' is integrable, but the discussion highlights the lack of clarity regarding the continuity of f and its derivative, which may affect the application of the FTC.

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I need the help of all you math folks out there...I'm working on a bonus assignment in my calculus 2 class. Here's the problem:

Suppose the curve y=f(x) passes through the origin and the point (1,1). Find the value of the integral of f'(x) dx from 0 to 1.

I thought this question just wanted a restatement of the fundamental theorem of calculus. But since it's a bonus problem, I know that there has to be something tricky here. It does ask for a "value".

Obviously this curve can take any shape, so there's no general formula for the area.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
 
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Hi pattie,
Write down what you know about f mathematically, and write down your integral. The deceptively simple result is just one of the many results that illustrate the power of calculus.
The only prerequisite assumption missing from your statement is that f(x) is continuous.
 
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The book doesn't even specify it's continuous...but assuming it is I have the integral of f'(x)dx from 0 to 1 is [f(1)-f(0)]. Is it really that simple?
 
Have you proven/read a proof of the fundamental theorem of calculus ? :smile: Unless you spot a flaw in the proof, it really is that simple.
 
well i guess you can assume that f' is integrable, since they said find its integral. then the MVT implies that an integrable function which is a derivative, can be comouted as you say, i.e. the FTC holds. continuity is not needed.

this stronger proof of FTC, without continuity, like most other things i know about calc can be found in courant.
 
If they say to compute the integral of f', it's obvious to assume f is differentiable and hence that f is continuous.
 
The continuity of f isn't the issue. It is the continuity of df/dx that is "missing".
 

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