Linearly Dependent? Clarifying Wronskian Results

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The discussion revolves around the concept of linear dependence and independence of functions, specifically through the analysis of their Wronskian determinants. Participants are exploring how the values of the Wronskian can indicate the linear relationship between a set of functions over different intervals.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the Wronskian being zero at specific points and how that relates to linear dependence. Questions arise about the significance of the Wronskian's behavior over open intervals and the conditions under which functions can be considered linearly independent.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and implications of linear dependence and independence as they relate to the Wronskian. Some participants are clarifying the conditions under which the Wronskian can indicate linear independence, while others are questioning specific cases and assumptions.

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Participants note the importance of considering open intervals when discussing linear dependence and the behavior of the Wronskian. There is a focus on the distinction between being zero at a finite number of points versus being zero everywhere on an interval.

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I just want to make sure I'm clear on the whole linearly dependent thing.

If I find the Wronskian of a set of functions and it comes out:

12x^2 + 12x

This would indicate that my set of functions is linearly dependent if the interval included x=0 and would be linearly independent if x never equaled 0.

if I find the wronskian of a set of functions and it comes out:

6 + 12x

This would show that my set of functions is linearly independent for all x.
 
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Would it? what if x= -1/2?

Of course, on can show that if the functions involved all satisfy the same linear, homogeneous differential equation, THEN their Wronskian is either always 0 or never 0.
 
Thanks for pointing that out. That's exactly the kind of thing my professor would put on a test.
 
kdinser said:
I just want to make sure I'm clear on the whole linearly dependent thing.

If I find the Wronskian of a set of functions and it comes out:

12x^2 + 12x

This would indicate that my set of functions is linearly dependent if the interval included x=0 and would be linearly independent if x never equaled 0.

if I find the wronskian of a set of functions and it comes out:

6 + 12x

This would show that my set of functions is linearly independent for all x.

There is an important distinction to be made here regarding the definition of Linear Dependence. Normally, Linear Dependence for an arbitrary differentiable set of Functions is defined on an OPEN INTERVAL "I" and requires the Wronskian to be zero (0) everywhere on "I". Being (0) at 1 point in "I" (or a finite number of points in "I") does not usually indicate Linear Dependence if there exists at least 1 other point in "I" for which the Wronskian is NON-zero.

Most definitions of Linear Dependence would hold that the 2 above Wronskians indicate Linear INdependence on all OPEN INTERVALS, regardless if the interval contained x=(0) in the first case or x=(-1/2) in the second. Again, this results because all such Open Intervals contain at least 1 point for which the Wronskian is NON-zero.


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