Solving Integral Equation: \phi(s) from y(s)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the integral equation for \phi(s) given y(s), specifically focusing on the equation involving a singular kernel. Participants explore various methods for transforming and solving the equation, including approaches related to Volterra equations and differential equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Salty proposes transforming the singular kernel K(s,r) to a finite kernel via composition with \sqrt{\xi-r} and suggests that this could lead to a Volterra equation solvable by Picard's process.
  • Eljose suggests converting the Volterra equation to a differential equation as an alternative approach.
  • Salty expresses skepticism about differentiating under the integral sign due to the presence of both s and r under the radical, questioning whether it is valid to convert to a differential equation.
  • Salty notes that the kernel needs to be bounded for the proposed method to work, indicating that the kernel in question is not bounded.
  • Salty mentions a shift in focus to simpler examples of the generalized Abel equation, expressing confidence in solving those and planning to report on test cases.
  • Salty reflects on the historical significance of studying integral equations, hinting at deeper motivations for the inquiry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of converting the integral equation to a differential equation, with Salty questioning the feasibility of this approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to tackle the original integral equation.

Contextual Notes

Salty acknowledges the complexity of the problem and indicates a transition to simpler equations, which may limit the scope of the original discussion. The need for bounded kernels is also highlighted as a potential limitation in the proposed methods.

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I'm interested in studying the following equation, solving for [itex]\phi(s)[/itex] given [itex]y(s)[/itex]:

[tex]\int_0^s \frac{2r}{\sqrt{s^2-r^2}} \phi(r)dr=y(s)[/tex]

or in more standard form:

[tex]\int_0^s K(s,r)\phi(r)=y(s)[/tex]

This is how I think it should be approached:

The kernel,[itex]K(s,r)[/itex] is singular at [itex]s=r[/itex]. Thus, the first step is to transform it to a finite kernel via composition with [itex]\sqrt{\xi-r}[/itex]. Once this is done, then the resulting equation can be further transformed to a Volterra equation of the second kind which then can be solved by Picard's process of successive approximations. I realize effecting the integrations likely becomes intractable but I'd still like to determine the solution format.

Can anyone tell me if this is the correct approach to follow? I'll spend time with this approach and report here my progress.

Thanks,
Salty
 
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Perhpas you can try converting the Volterra equation to a differential equation...
 
eljose said:
Perhpas you can try converting the Volterra equation to a differential equation...

Thanks eljose. I don't think you can remove the other variable under the integral sign by differentiating since both s and r are under the radical. Thus, you can't convert it to a differential equation. Am I wrong?

Also, I've found that the kernel needs to be bounded to use the method above. The kernel stated above,[itex]\frac{2t}{\sqrt{x+t}}[/itex] is not bounded.

I'll take my own advice: when confronted with a difficult problem you can't solve (which I can't cus I ain't proud), put it up and work on simpler ones first. In that regard, I'll work on several examples of the generalized Abel equation:

[tex]\int_0^x{\frac{\phi(y)}{\sqrt{x-y}}dy=f(x)[/tex]

The solution technique still involves a composition (convolution) and I know how to solve it and will report here some test cases for different values of [itex]f(x)[/itex]. The method is quite elegant and perhaps others will think so too.

By chance, if any students or others are wondering why should integral equations be studied, there is a profound reason why: it's all in the history. Do you see why?
 
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I've asked that this thread be deleted. I really bit of more than I could chew and have "regrouped" in the form of a simpler equation that I've posted as "abel equation".

Salty
 

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