Verifying Reasoning for AQ Solutions and Water's Presence in Net Ionic Equations

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The discussion revolves around verifying reasoning related to aqueous solutions and the presence of water in net ionic equations, specifically involving reactions with acids and bases.

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  • The original poster attempts to verify their reasoning regarding the formation of products in reactions involving HBr and NH3, as well as the treatment of water in net ionic equations. Questions arise about the status of Mg(ClO4)2 and whether water should be included in the net ionic equation.

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Participants are exploring the implications of the reactions presented, with some questioning the formation of bromine gas and the role of water in net ionic equations. There is a mix of confirmations and clarifications regarding the original poster's reasoning, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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Participants note assumptions about the states of compounds involved in the reactions, particularly regarding the solid state of Mg(ClO4)2 and the conditions under which reactions occur.

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i would like to see if my reasoning is correct (for aq. solutions):

[tex]2HBr_(aq_) + 2NH_3_(aq_) -> 2NH_4_(aq_) + Br_2_(aq_)[/tex]
HBR is an acid so it gives H to NH3, which leaves Br all alone. But Br can't exist by itself, so it becoems Br2?
ionic:
[tex]2H^+_(aq_) + 2Br^-_(aq_) + 2NH^-_3_(aq_) -> 2NH^+_4_(aq_) + 2Br^-_(aq_)[/tex]
net ionic:
[tex]2H^+_(aq_) + 2NH^-_3_(aq_) -> 2NH^+_4_(aq_)[/tex]

Also, I have a question about water and its presence or lackthereof in net ionic equations (for aq. solutions).

I have
[tex]2HClO_4_(aq_) + Mg(OH)_2_(s_) -> Mg(ClO_4)_2 (s) + 2H_2O[/tex]
ionic:
(matter states are same as above)[tex]2H^+ + 2CLO^-_4 + Mg^+^2 + 2OH^- -> Mg(ClO_4)_2 + 2H^+ + 2OH^-[/tex]

but that last part is really [tex]2H_2O[/tex]. But if i write it like that, then in my net equation i got to keep [tex]H_2O[/tex] and the H and OH ... making my net equation the same as my ionic equation. That seems wrong to me. Is there a covention where I can write [tex]2H_2O[/tex] and still leave out OH and H as spectator ions in my net ionic equation? Thank you for your time.
 
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First check if [itex]Mg(ClO_4)_2[/itex] is a solid, otherwise it would remain hydrated and would not appear in the net ionic equation. And I believe that water will actually be in the net ionic equation, that is [itex]H^+_{(aq)} + OH^-_{(aq)} \xrightarrow{\leftarrow} H_2O_{(l)}[/itex], there's a equilibrium associated with this equation although not on a large scale.
 
that is most of the ionized hydrogen cation and hydroxide will be converted to water.
 
ERROR - yeah that mg clo4 is solid, it has (s) in subscript beside it.
EDIT - whoops. That was my assumption. If HCLO is breaking it down, then it'd have to be a liquid, as this kind of reaction goes to completion.

That makes the net equation for (2)
[tex]2H^+ + 2CLO^-_4 + Mg^+^2 + 2OH^- -> Mg(ClO_4)_2_(aq_) + 2H_2O[/tex]

I take it the reasoning in my first equation involving HBr and NH3 is correct?
 
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First, think about it...how is bromine gas even formed? You've got two anions, the two cannot combine unless one of them is a cation. So bromine anion is the final product, usually the ammonium cation interacts ionically with bromine anion to a degree to form a salt adduct (l). However, I don't believe that you need to get this technical here. Thus your net ionic equation seems correct.
 
thanks for your help.
 

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