Where Did the Phrase 'Freezing the Balls Off a Brass Monkey' Come From?

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The discussion centers around the origins of the phrase "freezing the balls off a brass monkey," exploring various explanations and theories regarding its meaning and historical context. Participants examine potential connections to military terminology and the physical properties of materials in cold conditions.

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  • One participant suggests that the phrase originates from a brass structure used to hold cannonballs, which would lose the balls due to thermal contraction in cold weather.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about this explanation, questioning the practicality of the design and the effects of thermal contraction on the cannonballs and the brass structure.
  • A third participant notes that the explanation they encountered aligns with the previous claims but expresses surprise at its surreal nature.
  • One participant mentions that the commonly cited explanation may not be supported and references an external link questioning its validity.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are competing explanations and skepticism about the validity of the commonly accepted origin story.

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Some limitations include the lack of definitive historical evidence supporting the proposed explanations and the reliance on anecdotal accounts. The discussion also highlights assumptions about the physical behavior of materials in cold temperatures.

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Does anyone know where the tearm "freezing the balls off a brass monkey" came from?

I have found a few clames but they have diffrent origins... Help! =-)
 
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It is my understanding that underneath the pyramids of cannon balls seen in drawings of 17th and 18th century military camps was a form called a brass monkey. When it got very cold, due to thermal contraction,the cannon balls, would become to small to remain on the from (brass monkey).

Thus "cold enough to freeze the (cannon) balls off of a brass monkey.
 
Integral said:
It is my understanding that underneath the pyramids of cannon balls seen in drawings of 17th and 18th century military camps was a form called a brass monkey. When it got very cold, due to thermal contraction,the cannon balls, would become to small to remain on the from (brass monkey).

Thus "cold enough to freeze the (cannon) balls off of a brass monkey.

By coincidence, someone told me the above explanation about an hour ago. I was amazed, as I had just presumed it was just a slightly surreal saying.
 
Thats the same explanation I found... The problem is that a "Brass Monkey" is a cannon... Also if it got cold one night and a pile of cannon balls fell over... Would they not change the design of the plate? It just does not make sence. Also I highly doubt that the thermal contraction of a cannon ball or the contraction of a brass plate would be enough ficilitate the pile falling over...

Therefore... I need a better explanation =-)
 

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