Proving Inequality to Understanding and Mastering Mathematical Proofs

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The discussion revolves around the process of proving mathematical inequalities, specifically the statement that for every \( a < b \), it holds that \( a < \frac{(a+b)}{2} < b \). Participants explore different approaches to proving this inequality and discuss the rigor involved in their methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Kamataat, presents a proof by manipulating the inequality directly, concluding that the statement is proven based on the assumption \( a < b \).
  • Another participant suggests an alternative approach, starting from the assumption \( a < b \) and deriving the inequality in reverse order, indicating a preference for a different proof structure.
  • A third participant points out a potential flaw in Kamataat's proof, noting that starting with what one wants to prove can be problematic, although they acknowledge that such methods can be valid in certain contexts, like synthetic proofs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the rigor of the proof methods presented. There is no consensus on the best approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the most rigorous way to prove the inequality.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of reversibility in proofs and the potential for different proof techniques to be valid under certain conditions, but these aspects remain open to interpretation and debate.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in mathematical proofs, particularly those exploring different methodologies for proving inequalities and the nuances of rigor in mathematical reasoning.

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This isn't homework or anything. I'm just interested in learning to prove things in mathematics, so I took a piece of paper and did the following:

For every a < b it is true that a < (a+b)/2 < b (1). First I separated the inequality: a < (a+b)/2 and (a+b)/2 < b. Then I did this:

a < (a+b)/2
2a < a + b
2a - a < b
a < b

and

(a+b)/2 < b
a + b < 2b
a < 2b - b
a < b

So for the inequality (1) to be true, it must be true that a < b. So we have proven the statement in the first sentence.

Right? Wrong? Not rigorous enough?

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I would have done it the other way around:

Let [tex]\{a,b\} \in R[/tex] such that [tex]a<b[/tex].

[tex]a<b[/tex]

[tex]a+a-a<b[/tex]

[tex]2a-a<b[/tex]

[tex]2a<a+b[/tex]

[tex]a<\frac{a+b}{2}[/tex]

and

[tex]a<b[/tex]

[tex]a<b+b-b[/tex]

[tex]a<2b-b[/tex]

[tex]a+b<2b[/tex]

[tex]\frac{a+b}{2}<b[/tex]

And therefore [tex]a<\frac{a+b}{2}<b[/tex].
 
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There is a small difficulty: you started with what you want to prove and wound up with the hypothesis. Strictly speaking, that's wrong- you can't ASSUME what you want to prove.

What you CAN do is write everything in reverse. That is, a< b so, adding a to both sides, 2a< a+ b. Divide both sides by 2: a< (a+b)/2.


The reason I said "strictly speaking" is that, in fact, that's sometimes called "synthetic proof" and is commonly used, for example, in proving trig identities.

As long as it is clear that everything you do is "reversible" you're okay. But the "rigorous" proof is actually going the other way.
 
ic, tnx both of you

- Kamtaat
 

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