Calculating Magnetic Field of a Conducting Loop Using Biot-Savart's Law

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field at the center of a square conducting loop using Biot-Savart's Law. The loop is situated in the z=0 plane and carries a counterclockwise current. Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation and integration involved in deriving the magnetic field strength.

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  • The original poster attempts to set up the problem using Biot-Savart's Law but encounters difficulties with the integration process, particularly with the dependency of the differential length element on the side of the loop being considered. Other participants suggest focusing on the contribution from individual sides of the loop and applying symmetry in the calculations. Questions arise regarding the origin of the sine function in the context of the cross product in the magnetic field calculation.

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A square conducting loop of side 2a lies in the z=0 plane and carries a current in the counterclockwise direction. Show that at the center of the loop
H = sqrrt2*I/pi*a in the z direction.

I am stuck in this problem. Heres what I've got. I placed the center of the loop at the origin. I am using Biot-Savarts Law. I found an R vector to be sqrt x^2 + y2 in the rho direction and cos x/sqrt x^2 + y2 in the phi direction. Heres where I am stuck. When I go to do the integral, my dl depends on the side I am integrating. So if I am my dl is dx, i don't know how to cross that why R because R has the unit vectors rho and phi.
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I didn't quiet understand your approach. Find the magnetic field due to one wire of length 2a at a distance a from it's center. Contribution from each wire is same. So B = 4 * B(A).

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From the center of the wire at a distance l choose current element dl.
Distance between dl and A is r.

Using biot law,

[tex]B(A) = \frac{\mu_0}{4\pi}\int_{-a}^{a} \frac{I dl X n}{r^2}[/tex]

[tex]B(A) = \frac{\mu_0 I}{4\pi}\int_{-a}^{a} \frac{dl sin \theta}{a^2+l^2}[/tex]

[tex]sin \theta = a / \sqrt (a^2 + l^2)[/tex]

Do the integration.

[tex]B(A) = \frac{\mu_0 I}{4\pi a}* \sqrt 2[/tex]


[tex]H = 4* H(A) = \frac{I}{\pi a} * \sqrt 2[/tex]
 
where does the sin theta come from in that second step
 
formulajoe said:
A square conducting loop of side 2a lies in the z=0 plane and carries a current in the counterclockwise direction. Show that at the center of the loop
H = sqrrt2*I/pi*a in the z direction.

I am stuck in this problem. Heres what I've got. I placed the center of the loop at the origin. I am using Biot-Savarts Law. I found an R vector to be sqrt x^2 + y2 in the rho direction and cos x/sqrt x^2 + y2 in the phi direction. Heres where I am stuck. When I go to do the integral, my dl depends on the side I am integrating. So if I am my dl is dx, i don't know how to cross that why R because R has the unit vectors rho and phi.
:confused:
You only have to do one side because they all add together. Call them sides 1, 2, 3, 4.

[tex]B_1 = \mu_0I \int \frac{d\vec L \times \vec r}{4\pi r^2} = \frac{\mu_0I}{4\pi} \int \frac{rdlsin\theta}{r^2}[/tex]

In polar coordinates:

[itex]dL = cos\theta d\theta[/itex]
[itex]r = a/cos\theta[/itex]

So:
[tex]B_1 = \frac{\mu_0I}{4\pi} \int_{-\pi/4}^{\pi/4} \frac{(a/cos\theta)cos\theta d\theta sin\theta}{(a/cos\theta)^2}[/tex]

[tex]B_1 = \frac{\mu_0I}{4\pi} \int_{-\pi/4}^{\pi/4} \frac{asin\theta cos^2\theta}{a^2}d\theta[/tex]


Since [itex]B = 4B_1[/itex]:

[tex]B = \frac{\mu_0I}{\pi a} \int_{-\pi/4}^{\pi/4} sin\theta cos^2\theta d\theta[/tex]

You have to use some trigonometric identities to integrate that. Better check my math too.

AM
 
In my first integral, n is the unit vector along the direction of vector r. [tex]sin \theta[/tex] comes in when you take the cross product of dl X n. [tex]sin \theta[/tex] is the angle between r and dl.
 

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