Forces (People and Earth) Problem

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The problem involves calculating the force exerted by a large population of people on the Earth when they jump simultaneously. It considers the mass of the people, their average space occupancy, and the dynamics of their jump.

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  • Participants discuss calculating the force exerted by one person and then scaling it up to the total population. Some suggest using the impulse-momentum theorem, while others express uncertainty about the necessity of that approach given their current studies. There are questions about the application of Newton's laws and the average acceleration of the people.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being explored. Some participants are questioning the relevance of momentum and impulse in the context of their current knowledge, while others are attempting to clarify the problem using basic principles of physics. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to solve the problem.

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Some participants note that they have not yet studied momentum and impulse, which may affect their approach to the problem. There is also a mention of simplifying assumptions, such as treating the Earth as flat.

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There are about 6.3 billion people on the planet. Suppose that the world's population gather at one spot on the planet. Assuming each person takes up 1 m^2 of space on avg, the spot is 6.3 billion m^2. Assume that each person's mass is 70 kg on average. Suppose all those people jump at the same time. THe people, while pushing, are in contact with the Earth for a time of 0.2 s and leave the ground with a speed of 5 m/s. The distance traveled by the people while pushing the Earth is 0.5 m. Mass of the Earth is 5.98x19^24 kg.

Find the force with which the people push the earth.
 
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Thats a pretty cool problem. Find the force of one person, then multiply it by 6.3 billion people. I'm assuming your going to simplify the Earth as flat.
 
Hint: What impulse does the Earth give to the people?
 
Doc Al is correct. You have to use the impulse-momentum theorem =

[tex]F \Delta t = \Delta p[/tex] where: [tex]\Delta p = mv_f - mv_i[/tex]

So first, find your [tex]\Delta[/tex]momentum, then solve for [tex]F[/tex], and there you have it, your Force vector.

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Thank for the replies.
I'm 100% sure this question is possible without momentum and impulse since we haven't studied those yet. My teacher did this question today in class and I understood it quite clearly but now I can't seem to figure out.
I know first I have to figure out the weight of the people which would be equal to the Force pulling the Earth up. I'm not sure where to go from here.
 
Why is F = mv/t giving me an insanely wrong answer?
 
IntellectIsStrength said:
I'm 100% sure this question is possible without momentum and impulse since we haven't studied those yet.
You can always caculate the average acceleration of the people, then apply Newton's 2nd law.
 
Doc Al said:
You can always caculate the average acceleration of the people, then apply Newton's 2nd law.

Thanks a lot, I got it :smile:
 
Sorry for the slightly OT post (rather, a non-helpful reply), but that really IS a cool problem. I'm trying to picture a crowd of 6.3 billion people in "one place"...it would literally be an ocean as far as the eye can see.
:bugeye:
 

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