How Do You Integrate Using Trigonometric Substitution?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \(\int x^3\sqrt{4-9x^2}dx\) using trigonometric substitution. Participants explore various substitution methods and integration techniques, focusing on the challenges of integrating powers of sine and cosine.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the substitution \(x=\frac{2}{3}\cos{(x)}\) but encounters difficulties leading to \(\int \sin^3{(x)}\cos^2{(x)}dx\).
  • Another participant corrects this by proposing the substitution \(x=\frac{2}{3}\sin u\) to simplify the integral, noting that a numerical factor is still missing.
  • There is a discussion on how to integrate \(\int \sin^3{u} \cos^2{u} \, du\) by breaking it down into two separate integrals involving powers of sine.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about integrating \(\int \sin^5{\theta} d\theta\) and asks for clarification on its equivalence to \(-\int (1-\cos{\theta})^2 d\cos{\theta}\).
  • Another participant reiterates the equivalence of \(\int \sin^5{x} \, dx\) to \(-\int (1-\cos^{2}x)^{2} d(\cos x)\).
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of mastering integration of trigonometric functions before applying trigonometric substitution, suggesting a method for handling odd powers of sine and cosine.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best substitution method and integration techniques, indicating that there is no consensus on a single approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention missing numerical factors and the need for specific trigonometric identities, which may affect the integration process. The discussion includes various assumptions about the methods and transformations used.

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[tex]\int x^3\sqrt{4-9x^2}dx[/tex]

I tried to use [tex]x=\frac{2}{3}\cos{(x)}[/tex] but it just left me with [tex]\int \sin^3{(x)}\cos^2{(x)}dx[/tex]

Any suggestions?

Thanks for your help.
 
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It's the oher way around.U missed a numerical factor (containing an essential minus)...U need to substitute

[tex]x=\frac{2}{3}\sin u[/tex]

to get the powers of sine & cosine that u have there.U'd still miss the numerical factor and but at least you'd have gotten rid of the "-"...

Let's assume this one (it's your transformed integral up to a numerical factor).

[tex]\int \sin^{3}u \cos^{2} u \ du[/tex]...

Use the fundamental identity of circular trigonometry to write it

[tex]\int \sin^{3}u \ du -\int \sin^{5}u \ du[/tex]

The first can be written as

[tex]-\int (1-\cos^{2}u) \ d(\cos u)[/tex]

The second (the integral,without the "-" preceding it).

[tex]-\int \left(1-\cos^{2}u\right)^{2} \ d(\cos u)[/tex]

,which are very easy to integrate...


Daniel.
 
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[tex]\int{\sin^3{\theta}}d\theta - \int{\sin^5{\theta}}d\theta[/tex]

I know how to integrate the first, but the second I am having a bit more trouble with.

Is this true?: [tex]\int{\sin^5{\theta}}d\theta = -\int{(1-\cos{\theta})^2}d\cos{\theta}[/tex]

Thanks again.
 
I told u what it is equal to.

[tex]\int \sin^{5}x \ dx=-\int \left(1-\cos^{2}x\right)^{2} d(\cos x)[/tex]

Daniel.
 
I'm sorry, what I meant was:

What is the best way to integrate it? I haven't seen one with the square before, so I'm not sure...

Thanks for your help.
 
If you are going to use "trigonometric substitution" you should learn to integrate trig functions first! :smile:

Any time you have a an odd power of sin or cos, factor out one of then to go with the "dx", then convert the even power using sin2x+ cos2x= 1.

For example, seeing [tex]\int sin^5 x dx[/tex], I thinkof it as [tex]\int sin^4 x (sin x dx)= \int (sin^2 x)^2 (sin x dx)= \int (1- cos^2 x)(sin x dx)[/tex]. Now let u= cos(x) so that du= -sin x dx and that becomes [tex]\int (1-u^2)^2 du[/tex].

If you have only even powers of sin and cos, you can't do that- you have to use the trig identities [tex]cos^2(x)= \frac{1}{2}[1+ cos(2x)][/tex] and [tex]sin^2(x)= \frac{1}{2}[1- cos(2x)][/tex] to reduce the powers.
 

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