Proving the Dominance of e^x over x^e: A Mathematical Inquiry

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The discussion centers on comparing the functions e^x and x^e, specifically exploring how one might prove the dominance of e^x over x^e mathematically. The inquiry is framed within a calculus context, raising questions about intervals and the nature of the functions involved.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that plugging in values for x is insufficient for a rigorous proof and considers taking the logarithm of both functions as a potential approach.
  • Another participant notes that e^x and x^e are equal at x = e, questioning whether a specific interval was defined for the proof.
  • A different participant emphasizes that proving one function is strictly larger than the other is not possible since they are equal at x = e, but suggests that for all other x, x^e < e^x.
  • One participant references Knoebel's work on the general question of x^y < y^x, indicating that graphing can provide insights into the behavior of these functions.
  • Another participant discusses the derivative of x^{1/x} and its implications for the comparison of the two functions, suggesting that one can find values a < e and b > e where e^a > a^e and e^b > b^e.
  • A participant mentions their intention to follow up with the professor for clarification on the class discussion regarding this topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of proving one function's dominance over the other, with some asserting that e^x is greater except at x = e, while others highlight the need for clarification on the professor's intent regarding the proof.

Contextual Notes

The discussion lacks a defined interval for comparison and does not resolve the ambiguity surrounding the professor's question about proving dominance. There are also unresolved mathematical steps regarding the behavior of the functions in different domains.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in calculus or mathematical analysis, particularly those exploring function comparisons and proofs in real analysis.

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This isn't HW and I don't know what form of math it it but it was posed to us by our Cal-I Professor. First, which is larger?

[tex]e^x[/tex] or [tex]x^e[/tex].

Yes, ^x. But he asks how we as individuals would prove this mathematically? All I can see is to plug in a number for x and go, but I don't think this is what he is after. Would I be hot or cold if I took the log of both and came up with xlne & elnx and then did something, anything else? Either way is just substitution and I'm just rambling now...a tall glass of Port and it's off to bed. :zzz:
 
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These functions are equivalent for x = e, so did he define a certain interval for this proof? Not that it would matter in this analytical case, however it is important to know the full problem statement.
 
No, he didn't give an interval. He just asked how we would prove one would be greater than the other. I thought it might be something similar to how you would prove/grind out the law of sines, cosines, or a trig identity.

Thank you for the reply. E6S.
 
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No, you can't "prove" one is strictly larger than the other because that's not true. As theelectricchild pointed out ex= xe if x= e. However, the graphs are tangent there. it's not too difficult to see that, for all x except e, xe< ex.
 
This reminds me of Knoebel's Exponentials Reiterated. I don't recall how Knoebell solves the general question [tex]x^y<y^x[/tex], but by graphing [tex]x^{1/x}[/tex] it's pretty clear that for all [tex]x\neq e[/tex] there are two points where [tex]x^y=y^x[/tex] for fixed x, with one larger inside and the other larger outside the open interval bounded by these two points.
 
There is a bit of a question of what your prof meant by larger. If he was just referring to the domain where both are real functions (ie the non-negative reals) then with some playing you get [tex]e^x = x^e \Leftrightarrow x^{1/x}= e^{(e^{-1})}[/tex]. Then you can take the derivative of [tex]x^{1/x} = e^{ln(x)/x}[/tex]. It's not too hard to show that this derivative is positive for x<e and negative for x>e. So you just need values a<e<b such that [tex]e^a > a^e[/tex] and same for b. Since both functions are continuous you are done. You could take a=1 and b=10 since [tex]e^{10} > 2^{10} > 10^3 > 10^e[/tex].

Hope that helps

Steven
 
Didn't make it to class last night to get this wrapped up. I'll email him and see if he can tell me how it came out in class.
 

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